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Flow/level/temperature control

Flow/level/temperature control

Flow/level/temperature control

(OP)
Hello.
This is a great forum and I am so happy I came across it.
I need some explanation though on flow control and level control in oil refinery. When liquid is pumped to a flash drum on flow control, could you describe the process itself, I guess that there are some transducers involved but would appreciate a professional answer.
Thank you.

RE: Flow/level/temperature control

Refineries, chemical plants, gas processing, water and most other facilities with continuous liquid and gas flow measure flow rates of the feed stock, finished product, utilities and intermediate flows between vessels etc.  Many technologies are used to measure flow  and level.  Level measurement includes a liquid and vapor level as well as an interface between hydrocarbon and water.  Large books such as Flow Measurement Engineering Handbook, by R. W. Miller exist on just flow measurement.  It likely excludes the newer technologies.

With either flow or level measurement the refinery industry uses a transmitter to convert the measurement to an industry standard for interface to a control system.  Traditional transmitters have used an analog 4-20 mAdc that is proportional to flow - or proportional to the differential pressure that can imply flow with square root extraction.  Level is normally linear.  Some newer facilities use Foundation Fieldbus, Profibus or another serial communication link instead of the analog signal.  Some facilities may use wireless transmission.  These latter signal types are not as widely accepted for control.  Older facilities still use pneumatic signals for the mechanical measurement technologies.

Computers as well as electronic or pneumatic analog controllers compare the measurement against the operator setpoint and send an output signal to adjust something.  This again is normally a 4-20 milli-amp signal.  The alorithm is typically a a gain response prorportional to the offset between the measurement and setpoint, as well as integral signal that ramps the output and a derivative signal that spikes the output in a direction that should bring the flow or level back to the setpoint.  The typical device that controls the flow or level is a diaphragm operated valve.  It can be starting and stopping pumps as well as varying the speed of the motor driving a pump, etc.

I hope that this is what you are looking for.

RE: Flow/level/temperature control

(OP)
Thank you so much for this elaborate answer.

RE: Flow/level/temperature control

imfwat,

Not meaning any disrespect.

Are you still in school?

"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."   
Albert Einstein
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RE: Flow/level/temperature control

(OP)
Yeah, more or less. Not literally I mean but with reference to this topic - yes.

RE: Flow/level/temperature control

(OP)
I am just after doing my Certificate in Productivity Systems and that is part of Industrial Engineering which is somewhat broad in comparison to more specific areas.

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