Live Load for canvas covered structures
Live Load for canvas covered structures
(OP)
My office is designing an arched truss shade structure. It is basically a quonsat hut with canvas covering instead of sheet metal. The frames are arches spaced at 8 feet. Purlins are minimal, designed to transfer longitudinal forces only.
These are not designed to be walked on during construction or maintenance. Torn or damaged canvas is repaired from inside, or entire panels (sections) are replaced when damaged.
My Question: Do I need to design for Live Load forces? It seems to me I should be able to neglect a force which is contrary to design.
Any additional thoughts / suggestions / concerns are appreciated.
-DD
These are not designed to be walked on during construction or maintenance. Torn or damaged canvas is repaired from inside, or entire panels (sections) are replaced when damaged.
My Question: Do I need to design for Live Load forces? It seems to me I should be able to neglect a force which is contrary to design.
Any additional thoughts / suggestions / concerns are appreciated.
-DD
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
If this is a permanent structure however I would include roof imposed loads in the design.
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
Yes, Wind Load controls design.
Related question: for an arched section like this, it seems to me that wind will not behave similar to wind hitting a cubical, right-angle building. I imagine there will be greater uplift near the top (apogee??) of the arch.
For example, wind pulling a sail deforms the sail to an arch (in cross section). But perhaps this is due more to design of the sail support system than to actual distribution of load? Any insight or knowledge is appreciated!
-DD
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
Dik
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
Please elaborate on "The drape of the fabric between frames generally provides lateral restraint for the arches".
We are planning to put some light members between the arched trusses of our design for lateral loads.
I have ASCE 7-05. 4.9.1 in 7-05 says that a reduced LLr is NOT allowable "unless approved by the authority having jurisdiction." Then, it is stated the min. LLr shall be 12 psf.
That load exceeds the UBC min of 10 psf for unoccupied ag., our usual design standard.
Thanks,
DD
RE: Live Load for canvas covered structures
The reviewer is requesting I "check concrete footings for minimum reinforcing per U.B.C. sections 1907.12.2.1 and 1910.5.1."
the x-section area is 1810 in^2. *.0018 = 3.26 in^2 required. my (8)#5 bars provide 2.45 in^2.
The 8.625 O.D. XS pipe has an area of 12.80 in^2 and this column extends to within 3" of the bottom of the footing.
How can I justify the existing reinforcement? This is a U-3, "occupied agricultural" building.
Can I include the area of the steel in the column as part of my "reinforcement"?
Any suggestions?
-DD