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Convolved vs Convoluted

Convolved vs Convoluted

Convolved vs Convoluted

I often see the word "convoluted" where I would normally use "convolved" (i.e. the product of convolution).  Is this an American difference (e.g. like burgle vs burglarize), or just plain wrong?

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

I think either is correct, as it depends on which verb you're using.

to convolve
to convolute

As far as I know, these two verbs are synonomous.

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RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

I think the two words have different meanings:

1. Having numerous overlapping coils or folds: a convoluted seashell.
2. Intricate; complicated: convoluted legal language; convoluted reasoning.

v. con•volved, con•volv•ing, con•volves
v. tr.
To roll together; coil up.

v. intr.
To form convolutions

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

And while I'm at it, what about "Oriented" vs "Orientated" (in the context of programming styles)?  I always use "Oriented" myself and it really grates when one or two of my colleagues go through hoops to squeeze in one more syllable.

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

You don't "orientate", you "orient".

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

I think "Orientated" belongs in the "Redneck Terminology" thread. The only person I know that uses it kept their childhood house warm by burning railroad ties in the fireplace.

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

Ussuri - You are comparing the definition of an adjective with the definition of a verb.

What do you get when you compare the definitions of the two verbs:
convolve -
convolute -

Similarily, what are the defintions of the two infected adjectves:
convoluted -
convolved -

I also find it interesting that the definition of the instransitive verb 'to convolve' is 'to form convolutions', which is the noun inflection of 'to convolute'.

To me, 'orientate' falls in the same category as 'irregardless'.

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RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

"Orientate" is in my old Webseter's New Collegiate Dictionary  (an old New Dictionary?)  It means orient. Surprised?  Next, we will probably see orientationized!

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

I think "orient" vs. "orientate" is pretty much a personal or possibly regional variation.

In the Macquarie (Australian) dictionary, "orientate" is actually given priority over "orient".

According to Fowler's "Modern English Usage":

"There is no meaningful criterion for choosing between them, except that "orient" is shorter and therefore less cumbersome in some contexts."

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

Or . . . salvable vs salvageable.

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

As an American, I see the term "convoluted" a lot more than "convolved"

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RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

Convolved was not even in my "Little Oxford Dictionary" 2002.

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

Nor my earlier (1980) version either.

RE: Convolved vs Convoluted

After you have gone through "orientation", you should be an "orient" that has been "orientated"?

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