Set Pressure < MAWP
Set Pressure < MAWP
(OP)
I have an existing relief valve:
relief valve set pressure = 15.1 psig
ASME vessel MAWP = 200 psig
required relief capacity = 78 gpm (water)
valve rated capacity (@ 15.1 psig) = 546 gpm
The relief valve is obviously oversized but it is desired to remain if at all possible. Can I base the inlet pressure drop on 3% of the MAWP, or is it strictly to be 3% of the stamped set pressure of the valve?
relief valve set pressure = 15.1 psig
ASME vessel MAWP = 200 psig
required relief capacity = 78 gpm (water)
valve rated capacity (@ 15.1 psig) = 546 gpm
The relief valve is obviously oversized but it is desired to remain if at all possible. Can I base the inlet pressure drop on 3% of the MAWP, or is it strictly to be 3% of the stamped set pressure of the valve?
RE: Set Pressure < MAWP
The ultimate goal behind the PSV inlet line max allowable pressure drop is to avoid chattering. Since the required relief capacity is way below the 25% rule of the rated capacity, Chattering is most likely to take place.
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RE: Set Pressure < MAWP
From another perspective, is the source of liquid overpressure great enough to cause a safety concern for the referenced vessel? If not, you may could make an arguement the relief valve isn't needed for that case. However, you need to make sure there aren't other components in the protected system that require the low set point.
Otherwise, HDIMR gives good advice but as I understand the 25% rule relates more to valves in vapor service that tend to pop open to near full capacity upon reaching set point. The pop action is related to the sudden expansion of the vapor inside the "huddling chamber" of the valve disc.
I have seen at least one company's practices that suggests that valves in liquid service are characterized more by a progressive increase in lift with increase in inlet pressure rather than pop action. A similar discussion can be found in the following reference...
"Pressure Safety Design Practices for Refinery and Chemical Operations" by Cheremisinoff, N.P.
As an excerpt from the above reference...."Liquid service valves are, therefore, less liable to chattering at low relieving rates, and they will modulate down to about 10% of design flow."
The limitation on the inlet pressure drop is a direct function of the blowdown pressure of your relief valve. You may want to discuss your issues with the relief valve manufacturer for possible options.
RE: Set Pressure < MAWP
RE: Set Pressure < MAWP
If the valve set pressure had been = to the MAWP (200 psig) then I would have no worries as the max water pressure is ~80 psig. But since the set pressure is 15.1 psig, I can't get the inlet piping to pass (3% losses). My question was in regards to whether code allows to accept inlet pipe losses using 3% of the MAWP if the valve set pressure is sig. lower.
I have also checked with the on-site mech. and he ensures that there is no other need for such a low set pressure.
Thanks for the help so far.
RE: Set Pressure < MAWP
In your case with set pressure far far less than the MAWP of the vessel, the severe situation you can get is if your vessel has, due to any reason in the process, high pressure close to MAWP then the PSV must open to relief wherein the resulting high operating pressure will overcome the pressure loss in the suction piping to PSV.
In the worst case where suction pressure loss is too high and with no 3% rule, the PSV will open at all cases without reaching the vessel MAWP.
Then, I don't see any concern at all and the PSV can be taken out as I guess the vessel is protected somewhere in your system.
I hope above is clear and not confuse you
regards
SmartEngineer
RE: Set Pressure < MAWP