Modeling CB designed to overflow

mmalynowski · Sep 30, 2005

Currently working of a model with an existing catch basin with an 8" outlet. I am trying to get the volume of water that will flow off site if the catch basin over flows. Currently modeling the CB as a pond with a primary outlet for the pipe and a secondary outlet as the grate at the top. The grate is set in the horizontal plan at the rim elevation. The flood elevation is also set to the rim elevation. Is this the correct way to model this?

Thanks,

LHA · Oct 1, 2005

Since the overflow will provide low head pushing out, I would remove the orifice flow constraint by modeling a broad crested weir with a length = to the higher of the frame's inside perimeter, or teh perimeter of the area at the grade break, if the inlet is sumped. The breadth would be the width of that frame or grade break.

Make sure it is Secondary discharge, or the overflow will go to the device specified, or keep adding to the final outflow if Primary discharge is specified.

Remember: The Chinese ideogram for “crisis” is comprised of the characters for “danger” and “opportunity.”
-Steve

psmart · Oct 1, 2005

The key is to determine what will control the overflow. As LHA suggests, the CB overflow is often modeled as a weir. In some cases this may be at the rim of the CB, but in other cases it may be a higher low-point in the surrounding pavement.

If the control point is above the rim, you may also want to define the additional above-grade storage (as part of the CB/Pond) since it can have a significant effect on the hydrograph routing.

For further details please see

http://www.hydrocad.net/pipes.htm

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Modeling CB designed to overflow

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