BROADBAND DC BLOCK
BROADBAND DC BLOCK
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I need a dc block with low loss from 0.01-18ghz, on an alumina substrate. i need it to handle 200v. it seems to me a single capacitor, .5microfarad or so, would work; but i cant find any parts rated tp 200 volts & 18ghz.
any ideas?
thanks,
any ideas?
thanks,
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
Someone does make a composite DC block capacitor comprised of two individual ceramic caps in parallel. It is someone like AVX, ATC, or Johanson, don't remember.
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
i prototyped with the dielectric labs co8 with 2400pf; its only rated to 50 volts also; worked pretty good esxcept down at the low frequencies.
people like ma, inmet, & midwest build broadband coaxial dc blocks, so there must be a suitable part in the market somewhere
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
So layout a straight line with a high frequency cap in a straight line, then add a U shaped second line, or actually an O shaped second line that contains a larger low frequency cap in the center, and inductors on either side of the high frequency capacitor where the O shaped line meets the thru line. Do some circuit simulation with C and L values to optimize the transmission loss, especially at the crossover point where the straight thru C and O loog L C L have similar S21 losses, those components will have to be optimized for that area of frequency.
You might improve things by adding some quarter wave opens in the O loop to help out the loss characteristics.
I haven't done this, so it's just an idea, take this with a grain of salt please.
kch
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
one of my concerns is with the voltage rating of the smaller caps used for the high frequencies. high freq caps tend to be low voltage, like 50 volts; but i need 200 to be safe
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
How much loss can you tolerate in your DC block design?
kch
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
200volts is a design spec. there may be 150-160v bias on one end, though this seems unlikely to me. it also seems unlikely the other port will be grounded. but 200volts its what i have to design to
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
impedance of the following circuit and what is the
max. attenuation?
<nbucska@pcperipherals DOT com> subj: eng-tips
read FAQ240-1032
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
rf feeds into a 50 ohm circuit, though there may possible be a dc return to ground; but its 50ohms from 10mhz-18ghz
max loss: 0.5db
thanks!
bob
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
so that one path has about 50 times larger C and their
sum gives .5 dB attenuation at 10MHz with the 50 ohm.
If only some discrete frequencies are required, you may
shift the resonance freqency into the not used band.
If continuous, you may need three parallel paths...
You will have to experiment, wiring (wire L ) is critical, too.
<nbucska@pcperipherals DOT com> subj: eng-tips
read FAQ240-1032
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
you have confused the RF impedance with the DC blocking capability. The DC bias means that the capacitor will definitely have a large voltage across it. The AC impedance of the capacitor is irrelevant to the argument.
Bhawkins,
What I would point out is this, the DC bias can be a problem when switching on and off. Suppose the DC bias voltage rises quickly. A large capacitor will couple this through to the (sensitive) GHz amplifier. Thus the switch-on (or switch-off) transient may take out the amplifying device which is being "protected" by the DC blocking capacitor. You therefore may need to consider slew rate limiting the bias voltage and/or clamping the amplifier input to the transient.
RE: BROADBAND DC BLOCK
I sit corrected and feel good about it.
Now for a cup of coffee.
kch