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what formula, code, standard and or guidelines we should use with weld proximity in Top side piping

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Hi All,

I'm a piping design engineer, as a general practice I always used to maintain minimum 100mm gap between welds when I deal with 6" pipe. but in recent past I have been asked to show a standard which supports 100mm gap.

I could not able to find the exact gap in any standard, I would like to know what formula, code, standard and or guidelines we should use with weld proximity in Top side (offshore Platforms) piping?

attached is the 6" copy for reference, can anyone provide me the minimum values for A, B, C and D?

Thanks in advance.



 
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You will get a lot of answers and advice on this so consider all of it and ask more questions if you have them. Thank you for including the great sketch, it really helped.
What you are asking for as such, actually does not exist in any Code.
Guidelines do exist for these based more on experience, personal preference and Company Rules.
Example:
'A' = The minimum for this can be one of two things.

(a) assume the position of the 6" line and the 4" branch from the Tee are not governed by anything specific that we cannot see therefore the minimum can be fitting make-up of the 6" Ell and the 6" x 4" reducing Tee with no Pup piece required.

(b) assume the position of the 6" and the 4" are governed by something we cannot see. Then the two welds (joining the 6" Ell and the Reducing Tee) should be minimum of 4 times the thickness (T) of the fitting wall or if less then 4T then you should consider Post Weld Heat Treatment to relieve the stress created in the overlapping Heat Affected Zone (HAZ)

'B' & 'D' = Minimum distance governed by Company Rule for No overlapping welds.

'C' = Minimum is your company standard for line spacing i.e.: Flange to pipe plus an inch (plus Insulation if any).



Sometimes its possible to do all the right things and still get bad results
 
You have a "Pup Piece" between the 6" Ell and the reducing Tee. The following is part of a discussion about situations like that Pup Piece.

The question: What is a Pup Piece?”

My answer: What is it?
Okay let’s see if we can answer this question once and for all.
In piping we all know we have two basic situations; one is Fitting-to-Fitting and the other is not Fitting-to-Fitting.
With the first, there is nothing between one fitting and another except the weld. Therefore we call it "Fitting-to-Fitting or "Fitting make-up"
With the second, the required overall dimension does not allow for Fitting-to-Fitting configuration. We then have an ELL, gap, ELL or ELL, gap, Reducer, ELL or ELL, gap, Flange or ELL, gap, reducer, flange or some combination of standard fittings BUT not Fitting-to-Fitting. There is that short gap between two of the fittings. This is an all too common natural occurrence in piping design.
This short gap is where a piece of pipe must be placed (cut, beveled, fitted and welded) to connect the two fittings that don't touch. The short piece of pipe is called a "Pup" piece. The piece of pipe or "Pup" can be pretty much any length however when it gets to be around a foot in length it is no longer called a "Pup". A long piece of pipe is just a piece of pipe. The really short ones are called a “Pup”.
The only restriction for the length of a "Pup" piece is common sense or a company imposed minimum length. This minimum length is defined in different ways by a Lead Design Supervisor or company and there is no absolute Code restriction or commonality. Individual pipers or a company minimum may consider the pipe wall thickness, the weld bevel, the heat effected zone, or the real or perceived ability of the shop to make a weld. There is no magic rule and there is no common industry standard.
In referring to the proximity of butt welds in pipe. This question has been asked many times. The answer is the piping Codes do not provide specific guidance. In this situation, you must use engineering judgment such as, locate the butt welds as far apart as possible to avoid overlapping weld “heat affected zones” and stress concentration effects. For girth weld spacing, a criterion that has been used for many years is: the greater of 2 inches or 4 times the wall thickness.
You might also want to talk to a good Welding Engineer as it could be dependent on the actual welding process. If this is for proximity of weld joints to one another there could be other concerns--again the Welding Engineer could help you.

(Just for interest’s sake, it has been reported that the Australian Standard AS 4458 specifies the following: "The distance between the edge of two circumferential butt welds shall be not less than four times the pipe wall thickness or 30 mm, whichever is the greater, unless the first weld is post weld heat treated (PWHT) before the second weld." I have not seen a copy of AS 4458 so I cannot confirm it.)


You can also use the "Search" tool on this website and key word "pup"

Sometimes its possible to do all the right things and still get bad results
 
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