ST1 and ST2 Compatibility

[gmckeown]

Hey All,

We are currently trying to make the final decision to move from SE v20 to SE ST1....obviously as ST2 is only out we are not too keen in jumping straight in with no MP's out yet.

However we would like to try out SE ST2 64 Bit and SEEC 64 Bit on a new machine...what is the story with Compatibility between ST1 and ST2 files?

Thanks in Advance

 

[KENAT]

If it's anything like every other version of SE, ST2 will open ST1. ST1 will not open ST2. Once a file is opened in ST2 you can no longer open it in ST1.

(I think, may only be if you save but we saw some behaviour at a previous employer that suggests that just opening them is enough to convert to the newer SE version)

If you are just 'trying it out' do it completely isolated. Copy the files you want to play with etc. This is what we used to do for testing of new versions of SE.

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[swertel]

If you are in the test and trials stage, I would honestly consider skipping ST1 and testing ST2, even though there are no MPs yet.

Stick with v20 until you are comfortable with ST2.

--Scott

http://wertel.eng.pro

 

[gmckeown]

Swertel....

Interesting you should say that I have been told that alread once today. Why do you say that? Surely there will be many bugs in the initial release of ST2? I have had a small trial on ST1 and do not see it taking very long to become comfortable with the new version over v20 as there is not much changed with the traditional modelling whenever you strip it back

 

[swertel]

The UI change, mainly.

ST1 was the first cut at the Fluent UI implementation for SE. In short, it sucks. ST2 made it much more usable. ST3 should be even better.

Also, ST1 was the initial Synch Tech release. A few Traditional improvements, but none worth selling the farm on. That being said, ST1 did not implement many traditional features yet. ST2 still has quite a few missing, but at least there are more features from Traditional in ST that you are used to seeing/using. And again, ST2 doesn't have many changes in the Traditional environment.

So basically, if you plan on using just the Traditional environment for now, you'll be happier with ST2. The UI is improved and many ST1 bugs have been fixed even without an MP.


--Scott

http://wertel.eng.pro

 

[gmckeown]

OK I understand what you are saying, still a little bit reluctant to upgrade straight into ST2 given how it has only been realised but I will definitely consider putting off our upgrade from v20 and going straight to ST2....

To be honest I am just looking forward to finally being able to use SE 64 bit with SEEC...

 

[burhop]

Also think about if you want to take advantage of the new FEA tools. They only exist in ST2. Even if you don't want them now, its just a license file update to turn them on.

Mark

 

[teebarr]

Just loaded ST2 this week. All round, things seem alot better. Interface is better and sync work more like you think it should. Alot of the small (and mostly undocumented) improvements really make a BIG difference IMO.
If you are on V20 I would skip straight to ST2. So far it seems very stable.


Just tried Simulation today - WOW this is good! The integration is seamless, and the interface is fantastic. Mark and the guys have done a truly amazing job.
This really does make quick (REALLY quick) adjustments to geometry possible to try different design iterations.

It will be interesting to see the price - but I think it will be a genuinely usable tool that will become a great selling point for SE.

Tony

 

[donyoung]

may I point out that SWX (9/10) comes with the same Office GUI
even Pro/E WF5 has nothing better to offer ...

 

[burhop]

teebarr,

Thanks! We tried hard to get good input from customers and I think that helped a lot.

We still have more functionality to add but I'm glad you liked the first release.

Mark

 

[teebarr]

Mark
I just hope Siemens can capitalize on the good work by decent marketing (to date Siemens ads have been dull and lifeless - it is not even clear they are selling CAD!!) and some flexibility with the trial license. In reality, many people will spend the first few months of the new install getting up to speed with new CAD functionality etc. Only after that will they think about looking at Sim - by which time the license has run out.
I think the big thing with the new Sim is that it genuinely has the potential to become part of the CAD workflow, especially at the early stages of development. Part of this is down to the ability to edit within the sim environment so it doesn't feel like it is slowing you down. The other is there is a good balance between simplicity and depth of features.
If Siemens can get the pricing right and do a better job of getting the message out, then I think this product will become an integral part of many a designers toolbox.
It fills the gap nicely between full blown FEA and the free stuff.

Tony