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Piping Erection/Constructability Tips 1

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DGrayPPD

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Can anyone provide tips for ensuring ease of constructability during the erection of a process plant?

Reason I am asking is because I have 6 years of experience with piping, but all of my experience comes from a piping fabrication shop and engineering firm as a piping designer. I do not, however, have any experience with field construction. In a continuous attempt to provide better, higher quality designs I am seeking tips that will help aid the contractor in construction of the plant.

Does anyone have any tips from previous experience about ways to make constructability better and/or things to look out for when designing a plant that will keep the contractor from having a very difficult project to construct?

For the purpose of this question, I am only referring to grassroots style projects with no modularization.

Thanks for any help.
 
CPPD,
Welcome to Eng-Tips. I must say you have been very busy since you joined (2Feb2017). You did not share any of your background with us. That makes it difficult to converse with you.
You wrote:
"make constructability better and/or things to look out for when designing a plant that will keep the contractor from having a very difficult project to construct?"

You are asking two questions (reworded but means the same):
(a) make constructability cheaper
and
(b) make constructability simpler

You also need to consider other issues that are more important.
- Functionality - The Plant is worthless if it does not meet it's intended purpose. That means the design production rate, the product quality, the minimal down time and the overall plant life span.
- Safety - That means safety for the workers building the Plant, the workers who operate the Plant, The workers who maintain the Plant, the people (Vendors and Service people) who must enter the Plant and of course the neighbors who live outside the plant.
- Economics - That means the Cost to build the Plant, Run the Plant, Maintain the Plant, Insure the Plant and be profitable.

These three issues are ongoing through out the life of the Plant and some even after the Plant has out lived is purpose and value. Constructability is more of a one time issue but contains some aspects of these other Issues. Evaluate all the Issues and then look for SAFE, COST effective shortcuts for Construction.


Sometimes its possible to do all the right things and still get bad results
 
Thank you pennpiper,

Yes, I am relatively new to Eng-Tips. The reason that I have been so busy asking questions is that I do not have any qualified senior piping individuals at my firm to ask these questions to. We are a small firm (20-30 people) and only have 2 piping designers and 1 mechanical engineer. Being that I do not have a mentor to turn to, I value the opinions and tips that I get on Eng-Tips. Most times, I have my own opinions about how to do things, but just like to get confirmation from experienced pipers/engineers.

My background is as follows:

3 years of piping design experience (SPED Level II Certified Professional Piping Designer)
3 years of pipe fabrication spool drafting and checking experience
Chemical plant scaffolding experience
Additional experience in residential plumbing

Also, I am currently pursuing a Bachelors Degree in Industrial Technology.

Thanks again for the help.
 
Between engineering jobs, I spent a few weeks working as a maintenance mechanic in a process plant, mostly outdoors, in upstate New York, in winter. It was, er, educational.

Much of my effort was spent rodding out frozen drain/waste lines.
A lot of extra effort was expended removing elbows to gain access for a rod or a steam lance, and then reassembling the same damn elbows in the same damn place a few minutes or a few hours later, and realizing that the same operation had been done umpteen times in umpteen winters.
If I were laying out that plant from new, I'd specify crosses and plugs instead of elbows or tees, pretty much everywhere, but especially at least on drain/waste/vent lines.

Yes, everything was insulated and steam heat traced. The original build used 3/8" copper tube and brass Swagelok fittings for the heat trace. Copper tube generally doesn't burst when water freezes inside, but it does swell so much that a Swagelok won't fit, so you can't re-use it. We replaced it as we went with 3/8" stainless steel tube (.010" wt, I think) and stainless Swageloks.

From a pure thermodynamic standpoint, you'd think that installing the heat trace tube against the bottom of the process pipe would be best. ... but the copper tube was occasionally crushed between the process pipe and its supports, which of course stopped the steam flow and caused the process pipe to freeze, so we tried to put the new trace lines at five o'clock or seven o'clock.

One of the interesting things I got to heat trace was a vertical cylindrical closed tank maybe 8 feet in diameter and about as tall. To do so, you make a bar ring around the top nozzle, and tie a couple hundred lengths of string or lacing tape hanging down from that so you can tie the heat trace tube in a spiral of ~3" pitch all the way up. The first team just spliced the trace tubes end to end as they were uncoiled, which put tension on the Swagelok couplings as the tube was pressurized, and kept the tube out of contact with the tank shell near the couplings. So I got to re-do it, by putting a u-bend near each end of each length of trace tube, so the Swageloks were in axial compression as the tube was stretched, the heat trace was continuous, and the Swageloks were outside the first layer of insulation, for easier inspection and repair.

That plant also had a large number of flanged process lines, and specified only Heavy Hex Nuts everywhere on those, just so us poor mechanics only had to drag around one set of wrenches. We also used a crapload of Never-Seez, pretty much everywhere, just so we'd be able to separate those flanges in a few years without using smoke wrenches, because there was a lot of flammable and explosive stuff everywhere.

<tangent>
It was a union shop, so I had to apply to join the Teamsters. They had a vote about it, and agreed, only if I were not allowed to attend their meetings. ... like I would want to.
They figured I had to be a Management Spy.

I was.
I had agreed to an exit interview with the Plant Manager.
... at which I recommended the mechanic with the worst 'attitude', Don, should become a supervisor, because his 'attitude' was just a reflection of his frustration about all the stupid things that went on. The guy had a terrific work ethic and great skills, and knew all the best places to hide and goof off.

Several years later, I was pumping gas, again between engineering jobs, and Don came in to buy gas. He had indeed been promoted on my recommendation, and was doing very well, and was very happy, and thanked me profusely.

I wonder what happened to Don; recently the whole place was torn down and cleaned up at the behest of the EPA.

</tangent>



Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 
Great anecdotes.

"the copper tube was occasionally crushed between the process pipe and its supports"

The traced piping wasn't insulated and on pipe shoes?
 
The pipe was insulated, but I found no shoes.
I guess the theory was that the semirigid glass fiber insulation would support the pipe on the flat surfaces of angle or channel legs , not be crushed itself, and somehow magically conform around the tracer while supporting the pipe without crushing the tracer.
I'm guessing because I never saw the original blueprints; just the result of decades of service and maintenance by labor of very assorted talents.


Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 
Best advice - measure twice - cut once!!!
 
Planning, planning, planning! What needs to go in first? Underground most likely. How will above ground work interfere with other work? What are the long lead items? etc. Weather conditions expected and unexpected.
 
Thank you to everyone for your valuable tips and advice.
 
DGrayPPD:
It seems to me that you would do well to get some field experience if you could arrange that. It doesn’t have to be a job change, it might just be inspection trips, and the like. Watch and absorb, like a sponge. What are contractors doing, what equipment do they have and use, what are their means and methods of doing things, what are their limitations? These things will vary from contractor to contractor, and plant to plant, and normally we engineers don’t get involved in means and methods of construction. But, it does help making construction easier if we have some understanding of this process. Then, you shop fab. pieces as big as can be handled and shipped for the field work, you do the difficult fit-up, fab. and welding in the shop, where you have some control and the best assembly conditions, and leave the clean, straight forward connections, etc. for the field crew. Often, and with a little forethought, this really doesn’t cost you much more time and effort, but saves a lot of time out in the field. Eventually, you should be payed for some of this, because you are saving a lot of cost out in the field. Look for some mentors who can give you advice on these issues, they are invaluable.
 
Thank you dhengr,

If I am given the opportunity I will definitely take any field trips that I can. In the meantime, and with work being as slow as it is, I appreciate all the advice I receive from you and anyone else who may have already had these experiences that I have not.
 
Have to agree with weldstan - regarding what goes in when.
Hate to count how many times I have seen piping installation clash with electrical cable tray installation and the unneccessary problems associated with it.
One thing I will always remember being taught years ago (and it may seem strange).
When installing piping in an existing plant do not install plumb / level - install it so it matches the existing piping.
Good luck,
Shane
 
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