Mixtli
Structural
- May 21, 2005
- 93
Hi everyone,
I posted this on the Prestressed/Precast engineering forum, and great responses, but I am interested specially on knowing how much liberty a P.Eng has to not to follow code, or follow an out of jurisdiction code and what happens liability wise: would insurance cover in case something happens?
Here is what's happening:
My customer usually picks their pins from the loading tables from the manufacturer and for this job they have asked me to stamp the drawings, which contain pins picked from the vendor's tables.
I did some calculations and found out the pins were not enough for such job so I requested to review the manufacture's calculations.
In reviewing such calculations, I learnt that they do their calcs based on ASD design to determine their capacity.
The codes I utilize are A23.3 and CHBDC, which both are LRFD. Under these codes the pins don't pass.
Will insurance pay? and I am not talking about the errors and omissions we carry as engineers.
How valid is to just pass the liability to the manufacturer with the note "pins by others (Dayton)" when I know for a fact these pins were sized following an out of jurisdiction code, or have been picked up from the table for which the calcs were based on a out of jurisdicion code?
Going a bit farther, let's consider, for example, there is a tornado or hurricane and big waters flow on that culvert and it gets scour under and collapses and breaks. Forensic engineering will realize it was not built to this jurisdiction's codes. Pretty much like car insurance won't pay if you weren't using the belt even if you are not at fault.
Thanks a lot for your input.
M.
I posted this on the Prestressed/Precast engineering forum, and great responses, but I am interested specially on knowing how much liberty a P.Eng has to not to follow code, or follow an out of jurisdiction code and what happens liability wise: would insurance cover in case something happens?
Here is what's happening:
My customer usually picks their pins from the loading tables from the manufacturer and for this job they have asked me to stamp the drawings, which contain pins picked from the vendor's tables.
I did some calculations and found out the pins were not enough for such job so I requested to review the manufacture's calculations.
In reviewing such calculations, I learnt that they do their calcs based on ASD design to determine their capacity.
The codes I utilize are A23.3 and CHBDC, which both are LRFD. Under these codes the pins don't pass.
Will insurance pay? and I am not talking about the errors and omissions we carry as engineers.
How valid is to just pass the liability to the manufacturer with the note "pins by others (Dayton)" when I know for a fact these pins were sized following an out of jurisdiction code, or have been picked up from the table for which the calcs were based on a out of jurisdicion code?
Going a bit farther, let's consider, for example, there is a tornado or hurricane and big waters flow on that culvert and it gets scour under and collapses and breaks. Forensic engineering will realize it was not built to this jurisdiction's codes. Pretty much like car insurance won't pay if you weren't using the belt even if you are not at fault.
Thanks a lot for your input.
M.
