How many liters consumption per minute ?

[moonshadowone]

I hear people talking about measuring gas production rate in liters per minute. Not knowing anything about cars ... I wondered how many liters per minute an engine consumes. Since it was a nice round figure I assumed a 1000 cc, four cylinder engine. Wikipedia says that the 1000cc bit relates to the volume of fuel / air mixture an engine can draw in during one cycle ... or in other words the swept volume of the cylinder. So I figured all I need do is assume an RPM (2000 rpm) and then I could calculate it, along the following lines .....

2000 RPM = 500 induction strokes x number of cylinders 4 = 2000 litersof induced gas mixture ..... per minute.

The stoichiometric ratio of the gas from the water cell is fixed at 2.39 when it comes out of the cell which Meyer claimed was correct for running a petrol engine.

OK that bit appears to be straight forward, but what I need to know is exactly how much of this HHO goes into the cylinder of the engine in liters per minute at 2000 RPM. Is there a chart or graph for this for a typical engine ?.

Cheers jk

 

[kmpillai]

Hi Mr Moonshadowone,
At 2000 rpm number of induction strokes are 1000 for a 4 stroke engine. (No. of induction strokes = RPM/2).
Please clarify the follwoing points for answering your question.
1. what is the gas comoing out from the water cell.
2. What is HHO

Regards
KMP

 

[cmcintosh]

I have heard a lot of stats for the production of hydrogen, but it is usually from my understanding producing 3 liters per cell. The question is to turn this into something that the engine can run on solely. The modifications would have to be around a delivery system that replaces the gas pump and would have a similar control as the gas pump does. I would assume you would need to have a little bit of a storage tank as well so that you could get the engine started and be able to handle higher speeds. I think this is good line of thought keep it up.

I am putting together my own tutorial and discussing some of the things I am coming across as I build it.

My site is

http://www.chrismcintoshdesigns.com

 

[nelisa]

HHO don't work with 4 stroke engine or 2 stroke engine..It's electric car, only need electric for this and we save electric at fuel cell..
Hydrogen--->Fuel cell--->Electric--->Electric motor..
30$ per kW :S

http://www.hydrogen-motors.com/how-hydrogen-motors-work.html

http://www.hydrogen-motors.com/

 

[moonshadowone]

I have posted all of my findings on my workshop web site.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/moonshadow/New_Folder/index.htm

Ignoring the burning of Aluminum to generate hydrogen, I came to the conclusion that it was impossible for any practical vehicle to generate hydrogen 'on demand'. I have included some simple maths to 'prove' it.

For anyone who still wants to try I have included a PIC microprocessor based Meyer type signal generator.

jk

 

[msquared48]

An M60A1 tank, with a Continental V12 diesel engine, uses about 9 liters per mile. At 30 mph, that's about 4.5 liters per minute.

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

 

[moonshadowone]

Hi,

Thanks for that info. The energy density of diesel is of course far higher than that of hydrogen. The question is where would one get the electrical power to crack that amount of water, on the vehicle, certainly not from the vehicle battery. I calculated that to generate enough gas to run a Volkswagen Beetle, would flatten the battery in 2.8 minutes ... assuming it did not blow up first.

jk