BigH
Geotechnical
- Dec 1, 2002
- 6,012
For our group:
Penstocks will be encased with massive concrete (10,000 m3 or so). Presently, call for large (32 mm dia) steel bars which we believe is for thermal cracking control. There is no real load on concrete other than compressive in our view.
We, at site, are toying with the idea to use steel fiber-reinforcement. One view is that steel isn't really needed - plane concrete would be suitable while others consider the steel fiber inclusion.
Cannot think that there is significant stresses induced in the concrete. Some think, though, that there may be some tensile stresses due to 60 m head running through the penstock - i.e., 60 m x 10 kN/m3 about 600 kPa or 0.6 MPa deforming the penstock's steel wall thereby adding tensile stresses on the concrete surrounding the round penstock. Using 25 MPa concrete suggests tensile strength approx 2 or so MPa > 0.6.
Any thoughts from our group (Ron?? SlideRuleEra??) Is conventional steel reinforcement needed? If not can we use steel fibres to mitigate thermal cracking (or minimizing opening up of cracks after initial cracking) - or why is steel bars or fibers needed?
Good answers will relate to beers/scotch if/when I meet up with you!
Penstocks will be encased with massive concrete (10,000 m3 or so). Presently, call for large (32 mm dia) steel bars which we believe is for thermal cracking control. There is no real load on concrete other than compressive in our view.
We, at site, are toying with the idea to use steel fiber-reinforcement. One view is that steel isn't really needed - plane concrete would be suitable while others consider the steel fiber inclusion.
Cannot think that there is significant stresses induced in the concrete. Some think, though, that there may be some tensile stresses due to 60 m head running through the penstock - i.e., 60 m x 10 kN/m3 about 600 kPa or 0.6 MPa deforming the penstock's steel wall thereby adding tensile stresses on the concrete surrounding the round penstock. Using 25 MPa concrete suggests tensile strength approx 2 or so MPa > 0.6.
Any thoughts from our group (Ron?? SlideRuleEra??) Is conventional steel reinforcement needed? If not can we use steel fibres to mitigate thermal cracking (or minimizing opening up of cracks after initial cracking) - or why is steel bars or fibers needed?
Good answers will relate to beers/scotch if/when I meet up with you!