Does everyone hate SW2010?

[MMike1]

So only one of my guys is running 2010. He's a CSWP. Hates 2010.

He feels it's like the Vista of Solidworks. I've not worked with it myself yet. But apparently there are extra steps to do stuff....almost like an "are you sure you want to do this?"

He finds it very annoying. Then apparently it tries to control where you locate dimensions. It will over-ride your placement. You have to fight with it to place it where you want....sometimes?

I know my descriptions aren't great. But is anyone else finding that 2010 is "fixing problems that didn't exist".

 

[SBaugh]

You will need to be more specific on what he is talking about... I don't feel like that at all and I am a CSWP and a CSWST (When I worked for a VAR up till Oct 2009). 2010 does not seem to me to be like that at all and seems to be doing very well. Maybe its his techniques and not SW I find that alot with my job now. A lot of people are used to doing it one way and they are just not used to it.

Regards,

Scott Baugh, CSWP

http://www.scottjbaugh.com

"If it's not broke, Don't fix it!"

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[CorBlimeyLimey]

Like Win 7 was what Vista should have been, so SW2010 is what Sw2009 should have been. There are some minor things I dislike about it, (eg. mouse gestures) but overall I like it.

There have been some major problems with x64 systems, but x32 has, I believe, been pretty stable.

FYI: Mouse Gestures and Dimension Palette can be disabled.

 

[ctopher]

There will always be someone that hates the latest version of anything. Can't please everyone.

Chris
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[TheTick]

Still on SW2009. Don't hate SW2010.... yet.

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[MMike1]

Mouse gestures? Is that the little coloured circle (red/yellow?) that indicates whether the dim will go above or below?

My computer is currently being worked on (transferring from old laptop to new one, so i can't look it up myself. (currently on someone elses machine)

Is it fairly obvious how to disable that stuff?

And i realize you can't please everyone....but it's very important that I ALWAYS be in the group of those that are pleased! Yes...it IS all about me!

(thanks guys)

 

[Areva]

“Does everybody hate SW2010” Certainly not at our place, We upgraded from 2009 SP4 to 2010 SP2.1 four weeks ago and so far it has proved very popular. (6 seats)

Still haven’t used all the new stuff yet.

I agree with CBL SW2010 is what SW2009 should have been.

Saves seem to be quicker in 2010 and so far we have only had one crash to desktop.

Eddy

 

[CorBlimeyLimey]

MMike1 ... While your machine is being worked on, you can access the web help files from

http://help.solidworks.com/.

It also contains the What's New information.

Mouse Gestures is easy to disable, but give it a try first. You may love it.

Dimension Palette has to be disabled via a simple registry tweak. But once again, try it first. I like the palette, and wish they would adopt it into the feature sketch instead of just the drawing mode.

 

[MadMango]

SP2.1 fixed my troubles with SW10 and XP64 troubles. I don't hate things anymore.

"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."

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[SBaugh]

Plus you cannot base your judgement off one person. Like ctopher says "you can't please everyone" and that happens more often than not anymore. One reason I hated working for a VAR in Tech support. Everyone was upset about new releases, but as they got used to it, they still either hated it liked it. As for me I have not hated a version that has been release except for maybe 03. Since then its been getting better. You have to remember most of the new features SW introduces are customer driven and that is what a majority of customers asked for. IF your colleague does not like something or thinks it can be improved upon then he needs to send in an ER. At least in 2010 with the new features they give the options to turn it off. Most new features that are introduced don't get that option until the next release.

You can't make everyone happy, but there are things that users can do to help, versus just throwing a fit about the new release.

Regards,

Scott Baugh, CSWP

http://www.scottjbaugh.com

"If it's not broke, Don't fix it!"

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[gwubs]

I have been running 2010 at home, and I like it. Looking forward to finally upgrading here at work from 07.

As for the "I dont like it because it's different" thing - well what can I say? most features can be turned off, but you should try them before you do. I know people still running Windows in Classic mode because they can't/won't wrap their minds around the changed look in XP, Vista etc. (These people tend to still use 8 letter filenames too LOL.)

 

[Theophilus]

Actually, I've really liked most of the interface "enhancements" since v2008, since I still have the option of throwing button-infested toolbars all around the edge of the viewport. When I need them, they're available (instead of clicking through layer after layer of BS to get there).

One of my primary reasons for upgrading to v2010 (near future) is to take advantage of a quick, stable, 64-bit OS (still on XP, skipped Vista deliberately). So if v2010 is still choking on 64-bit Windows 7 in the near future, what's the point in upgrading (or paying for the upgrade)? Seriously, this stuff should have been ironed out one or two SPs ago. If I--as an industrial designer--am hitting the RAM ceiling in 32-bit-land, that's a sure sign the rocket-scientist/engineers are battling it. Time to move along.



Jeff Mowry

http://www.industrialdesignhaus.com

A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.

 

[SBaugh]

From what I have seen is that you can have 2 machines built by the same company or person and even ghosted. Sometimes one of hte 2 will act different than the other one. OF course users immediately blame the software. Happens often here... especially if they used and older version of SW and moved to the recent version and things are different. Usually its something minorin those cases, but still the software is not alwaus to blame, however it is the first thing people usually blame.

I don't use toolbars anymore except Selection Filter and Macro. Everything else is in my Cmd manager. Yeah I know its 2 clicks, but I don't have far to go to select the 2nd mouse click and less movement for me is important.

When we get to 2010 I look forward to useing in our daily activites, until then I use it home and enjoy new updates.

Best Regards,

Scott Baugh, CSWP

http://www.scottjbaugh.com

"If it's not broke, Don't fix it!"

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[mjcole]

If you think 2009 users hate 2010 then just wait till those 2007 users see the context menus.

People would be less likely to hate new versions if the software was more stable up-front and more people used the Beta versions. I used the Beta 2010 which worked fine on my machine as did sp0 but SP1 won't run. I need to get a windows 7 machine now so I can run sw2010+ versions also because I smartly avoided Vista and win7 blew vista out of the water.

The only problems I saw with Windows 7 and SolidWorks were because of drivers not being installed at the SW World 2010 event.

Newer Functionality:
If you don't like it turn it off. Part of this lies on SolidWorks ability to give users choices. Show your Shortcut bar, Right Click, Customize.

The default SW gestures are only suggestions not law. I personally like that I can assign create relation to a gesture because SolidWorks refuses to place it on the context bar like the dim icon. I now use a KB shortcut for this but with gestures I can roll left or right with MB3 held down and achieve either function. The View Triad can be used to set orientation easily or Shift+Arrow is another good way. A friend of mine changed CTRL+# defaults to be 1=Front 2=Right 3=Top and 4 to be Normal To which will switch looking direction. Context Toolbars from 2008 are

On the Mouse Gestures tab or General there is an option to check to enable or set to have 4 or 8 directions to assign for gestures.

Sketch:
Enable onscreen numeric input. If checked dimensions are created while you sketch. You can disable this or leave it checked and hold Alt while sketching the entity to prevent the dimension from being created.

Display/Selection:
Display scrollbars in graphics view. option was taken away in 2008 version but 50% complained so they gave the choice to them and us.

Dimensions:
If you manually move your cursor before placing the dim you should be able to avoid the tasty (Black&White) cookie icon that quickly places the dims spaced out more quickly.

By using the Beta Versions for not just trying to score points for special tasks you will most likely notice problems that can be fixed before the sp0 ones get found. I'm sure SolidWorks knows of bugs they have not addressed but they HOPE that most people don't find them. Same thing goes for companies who would rather pay to settle out of court to avoid product Recalls.

I myself am a fan of the 2010 release and from the Improvements SolidWorks is building into their future releases. I just wish they'd give me a Job in Quality Assurance so I can help them build stable product features.

One thing that SolidWorks development may want to consider is using text config files to control options. The settings currently stored in different registry settings folders require Admin Privileges which a single setting for Folder Settings can show as a single line.

Michael

 

[uGlay]

if he is 'fighting' the dimensions its becuase the drawing is set to a certain standard (ISO, ANSI, etc) and the program is just adhering to your standards.

Have your "CSWP" learn the standard he selected and then he wont have to fight the program.

Just cause someone is a CSWP doesnt mean he's the end-all god of solidworks.

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[fcsuper]

Just to add to uGlay's comment...CSWP does not mean GDTP by any stretch of the imagination. I've also seen people trying to work outside stands and that they tend to complain about the software more often as a result.

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