Does Electronics an engineering subject?

[Doubt1]

Please check the link below:

http://www.hochschule-rhein-waal.de/en/academic-studies/specialty-fields/technologieundbionik.html

Electronics, B. Sc.*

Here, there is a subject named Electronics. My friends told me its an engineering subject, although the subject name is not Electronics Engineering. I am in big doubt.

Can anyone please tell me if it is an engineering subject or a general subject like statistics, mathematics etc? I am really sorry if I opened this thread in a wrong section.

Thanks a lot for your help.

 

[MacGyverS2000]

All that matters is what does the piece of paper the degree is printed on says... ask the school, not your friends.

Dan - Owner

http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

 

[ScottyUK]

German degree courses are generally highly regarded, although I know nothing of this particular university.

In the UK universities which offer both B.Sc and B.Eng degrees it is often the B.Eng degree meets the requirements for professional registration while the B.Sc does not. Equally, some very prestigious universities offer a B.A in electrical engineering.


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[Skogsgurra]

Do not quite understand your question. Did you mean to include a 'count'? (Ich verstehe deine Frage nicht richtig. Wolltest du fragen ob Elektronik ein Ingenieursbereich ist?)

If your question is if Electronics is engineering, then you are insulting a rather large group of electronic engineers. If you meant to ask something else - then please rephrase your question.

There are, by the way, strict rules about students posting in EngTips. If the Powers decide that this is a student postin, then expect your post to disappear soon.

Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

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[Doubt1]

@ Skogsgurra :

Don't mind please.

See, other subjects names are mechanical engineering, industrial engineering.

Then, why this subject name is only electronics? Why not electronics engineering? I seen many website there is subject named electronics engineering but its name is only electronics. So, I want to sure if this Electronics is actually electronics engineering or its a different subject. Its the reason why I asked it.

 

[IRstuff]

You should ask the institute that published the information. While a BS in Electronics would imply to me an engineering degree that specializes in analog, and possibly digital, circuit design, as opposed to "electrical engineering," which traditionally includes power generation, etc.

Nonetheless, note that the BS Biomaterials also does not have the "Engineering" label, yet its degree description

http://www.hochschule-rhein-waal.de...hnologieundbionik/materialwissenschaften.html

fits well with being a biomaterials engineer.

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[Doubt1]

IRstuff!

Thanks to you a lot for such a nice explanation.

 

[itsmoked]

Note that there are lots of "Electronics" certifications available. They're a two year course of study like, "medical technician", or "dental assistant". This would be for someone to work in the electronics industry as a technician. Perhaps on assembly lines, etc. Often they 'assist' engineers.

Be careful this isn't what you're seeing, unless that's your interest. There is no 'electrical' equivalent that I know of because electricians fill that roll. So when you see only "electronics" you have make sure.

My college councilor had me lined up for two years of "electronics" after I told him I wanted a degree in electrical engineering.. I figured it out on the first day and had to scramble to fix that mess. What a dolt. You typically take NO electronics for the first two years for a Degree in Electrical/Electronics Engineering.

Keith Cress
kcress -

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[IRstuff]

Wait a second, Keith, that's not totally true. I took the required EE114 as a sophomore; I can't remember what EE class I took as a freshman, but I think it was EE14.

The Berkeley recommended curricula has one major-related course for freshman year.

In any case, the cited degree is for a Bachelor of Science, so it's something beyond a "certification."

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[itsmoked]

Hair splitter..

What are those, "electricity is important to modern society" or "a history of electricity", classes?

Keith Cress
kcress -

http://www.flaminsystems.com

 

[MacGyverS2000]

I see Electrical Engineering Technology programs from time to time (Purdue had one)... these were geared more towards the practical technician rather than the design element of a straight Electrical Engineer. Either way, though, I would be inclined to call either an engineer based upon his skills rather than what the paper says. A degree in just "Electronics" doesn't mean anything different than "Electronics Engineering" without understanding the difference in curriculum first.

Dan - Owner

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[IRstuff]

EE14 was called something like Introduction to Electronic Circuit Design. EJ Angelo's Electronics: BJTs, FETs and Microcircuits was the text

EE114 was called something like Analog Design Principles, had no text, and which had, by far, the hairiest algebra of any class I ever had, grundging on transfer functions for amplifiers, ugh. I remember one transfer function that took up about a quarter page to write out, even with 0.3mm lead and small print.

The extra element theorem was cool, though, but I never had to use it ever since; basically, it was something TF_new = TF_old*(Z_out_open_circuit/Z_out_short_circuit), which allows for lots of algebra and errors, particularly when done by hand, and on paper.

TTFN

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[itsmoked]

I wondered how they evaded the calculus issue.

Keith Cress
kcress -

http://www.flaminsystems.com

 

[Doubt1]

Its a very silly question I think.

But I am asking it.

I came to know that the curriculum of Electronics, B.S.C of that varsity is equivalent to the curriculum of Electronics engineering.

Now, if in certificate, if the word engineer/engineering/Bachelor in Engineering is missing, can I claim myslelf an Electronic Engineer?

 

[itsmoked]

Not in my experience - unless - you've been around a long time and have actually demonstrated engineering ability.

Conversely, if you show or have shown no engineering ability but you have an actual engineering degree, I still have to consider you an engineer.

Keith Cress
kcress -

http://www.flaminsystems.com

 

[electricpete]

In the US, an important distinction is whether a program is ABET-accredited, which in turn tells whether it can be counted to meet requirements towards a P.E. license (after experience, testing etc). So as a rough rule, I'd say in the US ABET accredited programs are "real" engineering and non-ABET accredited programs are not. (there are of course exceptions to all rules, plenty of great programs fall outside the ABET umbrella, but at least if inside the ABET umbrella your question is answered and if outside you know to look closer).

I assume there may be similar requirements (different names) in your country. If you want to know if this is a true engineering program, I would ask whether this school will count toward your professional engineering registration when the time comes.

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[electricpete]

Another way to tell the difference (in US) would be presence of calculus in the curriculum. Technology programs generally calculus, Engineering programs include it. In my program it was 4 semesters worth.

(I'm not saying calculus is critical to doing most engineering jobs, but it seems to be a big distinguishing feature between technology programs and engineering programs).

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[electricpete]

Correction in bold:

Technology programs generally calculus, Engineering programs include it

should have been:

Technology programs generally don't include calculus, Engineering programs include it

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[Doubt1]

The website page has been updated.

ELECTRONICS, B. SC.
The most important details

Duration: 7 semesters
Location: Emmerich, from WT 2012/13 in Kleve
Qualification: Bachelor of Science, B.Sc.
Language: English
Intership/ semester abroad: in the 6th semester
Bachelor thesis: 7th semester

Description of course as pdf.

– Innovative electronics: The engine of the modern information society –

The today's information society is based on the processing and passing on of information. Without electronics this is impossible.

All substantial technical innovations of the last decades contain a substantial portion of electronics. Without it, today the internet, mobile phones, automotive comfort features as well as efficient household appliances and low-priced automatically manufactured products would not be conceivable. 80% of all innovations in automotive manufacture are today based on the use of modern electronics. Electronics makes it possible to find perfectly new approaches for the solution of many defined problems.

The electronic engineer is also able today to examine complex sets of tasks with systematic methods and compile appropriate working processes, Working in interdisciplinary teams, the modern electronics engineer is able to find new and innovative solutions by the implementation of technical and social competences.

STRUCTURE OF THE COURSE

Starting from the winter term 2011/2011, the Rhine Waal University offers a Bachelor course “Electronics” in Emmerich (from WT 2012/13 in Kleve). The course will be entirely in English.

The interdisciplinary course builds on the foundation of electrical engineering. Apart from a deeper look into special areas such as digital signal processing, mobile electronics or optoelectronics, additional qualifications are obtained in material properties, manufacturing technologies, and additionally important key qualifications in management and soft skills are taught. Ability for teamwork is promoted by, among other things, taking part and gaining practical experience in two exciting interdisciplinary team projects within the course. Excellent professional prospects await the graduates due to the broad area of application of modern electronics in all industrial industries.

COOPERATIVE COURSES

Study while you work? That is possible with us. In the part-time course you study at the University two days a week for the first four semesters. On the other 3 days you will work. The regular lecture program of the first two semesters is completed in 4 semesters.

Starting from the 5th semester the number of activities at the University are reduced and self-studying becomes more important

VOCATIONAL FIELDS AND QUALIFICATIONS

Various vocational opportunities are open to engineers in electro-technology Typical fields of activity are:

Development (draft, simulation and test of electronic circuits)
Production (planning, manufacturing, and examination of electronic products)
Marketing and selling of technical products
Managerial activities in industry, in private commercial companies and local authorities
Branches such as energy and environmental technology, process engineering, general machine, equipment and plant construction, the complete electronics industry, the automotive and relative supply and support industries, medical technology, as well as service and smaller enterprises.

CONDITIONS FOR ENTRANCE

Have we aroused your interest? The following conditions for entrance entitle you to begin a course with us:

Higher educational entrance qualification or advanced technical college certification
An equivalently recognised educational background
University entrance without university graduation: these applicants will have vocational qualifications
Required especially for the course “Electronics”:
Sufficient knowledge of English

Since, they have mentioned that," The interdisciplinary course builds on the foundation of electrical engineering." and reading others, I think it is an engineering subject.

 

[Skogsgurra]

Yes, Pete. You cannot understand much of the underlying principles if you cant apply derivatives and integrals and do your own deductions. No engineering without that understanding.


Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

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