I guess thats the issue. I could get detailed info on the shears and other things but I was wanting to see from someone who does it everyday to give a ballpark figure. I have seen arbitrary values around 10 kips used but nothing to back it up. Also for those that have seen shears used on steel beams, does it shear all the way through clean or is there tourqing and twisting involved? If thats the case there would be alot more lateral load involved. Thanks for any input.