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Cracking in Wood Joists 2

Matt PE

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Called to look at a house yesterday.

Floor is sagging beneath a newly refinished bathroom (new tile, fixtures, etc. i.e. weight) to the point where the Owner noticed drywall cracks.

Looked at the joists in the crawl space. Many/ most joists in the area have a textbook horizontal shear crack. (Was unable to check joists for level in the tight crawlspace, but the floor above is out.)

Also noticed that blocking has failed in some bays and some joists have twisted.

Running numbers for 40 psf LL and 20 psf DL (tile/ fixtures), the 2x10 joists are overstressed in flexure, but well under allowable shear on this span. I think that's fairly typical with uniform loads on simply supported timber beams.

I'm hesitant to just write the cracks off as checking.

Regardless, I think the solution is to sister some new joists alongside the existing to stiffen the area and arrest future settlement.

That said, from an academic perspective, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts as to why what appear to be shear cracks were observed, but calculation suggests a bending failure and shear should be well under allowable. Are the shear cracks initiating at a defect with much lower shear resistance? Is the slight twist resulting in some minor biaxial bending and I'm seeing a flexural failure in the weak direction? Feels like I'm stretching with those explanations.

Thank you in advance.
 

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I think those cracks are due to drying shrinkage of the sawn lumber. Basically they are checks. In photo "20250626_162427.jpg" you can see the end grain of the lumber and you can see that the crack is in the radial direction (perpendicular to the growth rings) and perfectly aligned with the pith in the middle of the heartwood. This also explains why the crack is above the neutral axis of the joist, which is where it should have been if it were due to shear stress. This also explains the cupping (i.e. bowing of the joist) that is visible, which is due to more and more rapid shrinkage on the left face of the joist (as viewed in the photo) than on the right face, since wood shrinks more in the tangential direction than in the radial direction. This is why quarter sawn lumber is usually straighter and more dimensionally stable than flat sawn lumber for example.
 

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