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California Dreaming No More 4
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With climate change, there may be nothing left to burn.
and relies heavily on contracted logging crews for fighting the annual blazes. Good luck with that going forward.
The irony of this fire is the size and location. Large wildfires happen in extremely rural areas bc the fire goes unnoticed until they're massive. A fire this size in LA tho is like a murder in a police station - shouldnt happen. This disaster happened bc state bureaucrats and politicians both chose to ignore federal law, and sadly both groups will likely bc excused from prison or even public trial bc of qualified immunity. We prob wont even hear of an engineer losing their license or job over this...
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TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
Dik, your comic rings true but not in the way you think. It is true that most wildfires in Ca are set by humans, usually an arsonist or an unhousable.
GregLocock
Automotive
26% of bushfires in Oz are started by lightning. We should never have given the koalas boxes of matches.
Mind you a few years back the picture was more like this for one bad year. The powerline companies had to bury a lot of transmission lines and increase their tree lopping activity.
Mind you a few years back the picture was more like this for one bad year. The powerline companies had to bury a lot of transmission lines and increase their tree lopping activity.
So the problem is a social one. Conditions are set to cause the deterioration of the society. I wonder what the cause of that is?
It seems to be systemic, and maybe country wide.
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
California does have the highest income disparity... That creates a lot of stressed and depressed persons.
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
With regards to the Canadian firebombers, Juan Browne has some interesting insight in that they're expensively useless. They are not able to deploy retardant. We pay them to stage here every winter but it's questionable what benefit they actually provide.
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Excerpts from an Article in the WSJ about Pre-Coating with Fire Retardant is required, and that Fire Fighting System will be overwhelmed and unable to stop the Wildfire.
"Shortly after my wife and I bought our all-wood Victorian home in Malibu in 2000, our next-door neighbor had a garage sale, and I watched as a truck pulled up in front of my house with a surfboard on top."
"Before he drove off, he said something I’ve never forgotten. “You know you’re going to have to fight a wildfire one day to save this house.”
"I’d only lived around big cities. Didn’t you just dial 911 when a wildfire came? He explained that firefighters would likely be overwhelmed by the size and ferocity of these fast-moving, wind-driven wildfire events. He and his father had saved their nearby family home themselves in a previous fire."
"he listed the items I’d need to save my home, including a fire retardant just like what the fire departments drop from planes and helicopters. Apparently, we were to spray our own house in advance of the fire."
"Then in 2018, the Woolsey Fire burst alive in the mountains above my home. The blaze turned out to be one of the most destructive in California history, burning 100,000 acres, forcing 250,000 people to evacuate and destroying nearly 2,000 homes and structures. On my street, 17 of 19 homes burned to the ground. Because of Tim and our spraying, our Victorian was one of the few homes to survive."
"But the decimation I saw was beyond description. At various points as I drove along the Pacific Coast Highway, I became disoriented. I’ve driven up and down that highway nearly every day for 25 five years; now, landmarks and buildings of all kinds were gone on both sides of the road. Sections of the ocean that have always been obscured were now visible."
"Then we reached his home. It was one of only a few on his block that had survived. It was good news, but I didn’t have the heart to tell him that he’d be living in a hazardous waste area for months and a construction zone for years. The local energy company, Southern California Edison, is preparing residents for a long wait to see their power restored. On the way out of the neighborhood, we ran into a fleet of LAPD officers making an arrest for looting, another problem he can expect in the aftermath."
"The answer is quite a lot, actually. Spraying, or gelling, in advance of a fire is just one way to give your home a fighting chance to survive. (If no fire comes, the product can be power-washed off.) Removing dry brush and dead leaves and the most flammable vegetation is another critically important step. Experts I’ve interviewed say the most significant thing homeowners can do to mitigate fire risk is to reduce the amount of available fuel."
"We need more water to fight fires, more reservoirs to store the water and more firefighters with the right kind of equipment to battle these massive wind-driven blazes. We need to consider expensive but critical proactive solutions like putting more power lines underground."
California Rules and Regulations are some of the most restrictive and Taxes are some of the highest, yet their infrastructure and fire mitigation systems are not being designed and maintained to prevent Wild Fire Disasters.... Rather those Tax dollars are being diverted and misused...... Sad
In reference to why the fires in California don't hit twice in same location for many years, it is because of the total devastation of these very hot fires and removal of all fuel to start a new fire, then the dumping salt water on the fire, helps ensure nothing will grow back for years to come.
And then there is the MASSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT for you climate change believers!
"But the risk isn’t just of losing your home. Someone in L.A.’s Glendale area told me this week that the firestorms hadn’t affected them. “Did you smell smoke?” I asked. When they said yes, I explained that when homes burn, we are inhaling the remains of refrigerators, washers,dryers, stereo systems, insulation materials, chemicals, tools and anything else that couldn’t withstand the 2,000-degree heat."
Here is link to Article but it is behind pay wall, so I provided excerpts above for those interested:
"Shortly after my wife and I bought our all-wood Victorian home in Malibu in 2000, our next-door neighbor had a garage sale, and I watched as a truck pulled up in front of my house with a surfboard on top."
"Before he drove off, he said something I’ve never forgotten. “You know you’re going to have to fight a wildfire one day to save this house.”
"I’d only lived around big cities. Didn’t you just dial 911 when a wildfire came? He explained that firefighters would likely be overwhelmed by the size and ferocity of these fast-moving, wind-driven wildfire events. He and his father had saved their nearby family home themselves in a previous fire."
"he listed the items I’d need to save my home, including a fire retardant just like what the fire departments drop from planes and helicopters. Apparently, we were to spray our own house in advance of the fire."
"Then in 2018, the Woolsey Fire burst alive in the mountains above my home. The blaze turned out to be one of the most destructive in California history, burning 100,000 acres, forcing 250,000 people to evacuate and destroying nearly 2,000 homes and structures. On my street, 17 of 19 homes burned to the ground. Because of Tim and our spraying, our Victorian was one of the few homes to survive."
"But the decimation I saw was beyond description. At various points as I drove along the Pacific Coast Highway, I became disoriented. I’ve driven up and down that highway nearly every day for 25 five years; now, landmarks and buildings of all kinds were gone on both sides of the road. Sections of the ocean that have always been obscured were now visible."
"Then we reached his home. It was one of only a few on his block that had survived. It was good news, but I didn’t have the heart to tell him that he’d be living in a hazardous waste area for months and a construction zone for years. The local energy company, Southern California Edison, is preparing residents for a long wait to see their power restored. On the way out of the neighborhood, we ran into a fleet of LAPD officers making an arrest for looting, another problem he can expect in the aftermath."
"The answer is quite a lot, actually. Spraying, or gelling, in advance of a fire is just one way to give your home a fighting chance to survive. (If no fire comes, the product can be power-washed off.) Removing dry brush and dead leaves and the most flammable vegetation is another critically important step. Experts I’ve interviewed say the most significant thing homeowners can do to mitigate fire risk is to reduce the amount of available fuel."
"We need more water to fight fires, more reservoirs to store the water and more firefighters with the right kind of equipment to battle these massive wind-driven blazes. We need to consider expensive but critical proactive solutions like putting more power lines underground."
California Rules and Regulations are some of the most restrictive and Taxes are some of the highest, yet their infrastructure and fire mitigation systems are not being designed and maintained to prevent Wild Fire Disasters.... Rather those Tax dollars are being diverted and misused...... Sad
In reference to why the fires in California don't hit twice in same location for many years, it is because of the total devastation of these very hot fires and removal of all fuel to start a new fire, then the dumping salt water on the fire, helps ensure nothing will grow back for years to come.
And then there is the MASSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT for you climate change believers!
"But the risk isn’t just of losing your home. Someone in L.A.’s Glendale area told me this week that the firestorms hadn’t affected them. “Did you smell smoke?” I asked. When they said yes, I explained that when homes burn, we are inhaling the remains of refrigerators, washers,dryers, stereo systems, insulation materials, chemicals, tools and anything else that couldn’t withstand the 2,000-degree heat."
Here is link to Article but it is behind pay wall, so I provided excerpts above for those interested:
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In "Re-use, Re-cycle, Re-purpose" focused California, the removed debris may be composted.
Imagine spending thousands more in self equipping and then thousands more again in reinforcing public infrastructure and then training and motivating the general public to engage a fire rather than to run. This was not only an infrastructure problem but also a manpower problem. A recent interview of another homeowner who successfully saved his home says the same.
This requires of groundswell of societal change.
This requires of groundswell of societal change.
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
California has not only banned chainsaws but this year a ban on agricultural burning has taken effect. California is making it virtually impossible to remove excess vegetation. Tractors are next on the list.
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Hard to raise cattle without tractors but don't worry.
Given the contribution to greenhouse gasses by cattle flatulence, California may soon ban meat and meat products.
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
The governor just ordered the culling of chickens and there are so many special requirements on the raising of chickens that we can't import them. We literally have no eggs in California right now.
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LA County Declares Health Emergency Due to Fires and Windstorm Conditions - MyNewsLA.com
A local health emergency was declared Friday for Los Angeles County by Health Officer Dr. Muntu Davis in an attempt to reduce health risks from ash and smoke due to the fires burning in the region. The order bars the use of power air blowers, including leaf blowers, until Davis determines that...
mynewsla.com
The order bars the use of power air blowers, including leaf blowers, until Davis determines that fire recovery conditions have progressed where use of air propelling devices will not negatively impact the health of residents.
Does that "air propelling devices" ban include Gavin?
...and as climate change effects increase, the changes will likely have a much greater impact on climate change. It might be time to pay the piper.
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I see the "Dis-Information' Board moved this MASSIVE DISASTER to 'Climate Change', which has absolutely nothing to do with the cause of this disaster. Other than that is lie being used to justify the Criminal Activity!
Apparently anytime the CENSORS don't like the Truth about a Failure and Disaster they Bury the Truth in Climate Change?
What a Bunch of....................
Apparently anytime the CENSORS don't like the Truth about a Failure and Disaster they Bury the Truth in Climate Change?
What a Bunch of....................
I disagree...
"Since 1980, fires have gotten significantly larger and more severe across California and the western United States, vastly increasing the amount of destruction they cause. Disasters like the Camp fire in 2018, the Bobcat fire in 2020 and the Dixie fire in 2021 highlight the urgent need to understand why California’s wildfires are worsening.
With lives, communities, natural resources and billions of dollars’ worth of property hanging in the balance, identifying the most important causes to address has become a hot-button issue for leaders in academia, government and business. Many have focused on individual causes such as land management or climate change, but the answer is more complicated.
To better inform the debate, wildfire experts from 15 universities, research institutes and government agencies authored a paper — published in the International Journal of Wildland Fire — that synthesizes the latest research on wildfires and their causes. The paper’s authors examined climate data, land cover changes, historical land management, fire suppression, and changing environments and ecosystems.
While contributing factors to the worsening wildfire situation can vary across regions and ecosystems, climate change is an overarching force that affects all areas, said Glen MacDonald, a UCLA distinguished professor of geography and the paper’s lead author. It increases what is known as the vapor pressure deficit — the difference between how much moisture is in the air versus how much it can hold."
Why are California’s wildfires getting worse? Experts explain what we know
Paper synthesizing latest research adds clarity to contentious debate with implications for lives and property.
newsroom.ucla.edu
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TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
Dik, remember that California's forests were mostly clear cut so there was no fuel for wildfires. You cannot attribute the increase in frequency to climate change, especially considering the number arson fires.
Waross, culling chickens appears to be a pattern in left leaning states.
Waross, culling chickens appears to be a pattern in left leaning states.
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