RobsVette
Mechanical
- Apr 15, 2009
- 94
Hey guys, A situation has come up were I work and I want to make sure I have the proper thought process for the use of a Building Management System before we move forward.
The issue that has come up has to do with manual operation of equipment vs the BMS (building management as opposed to burner management, I know this is confusing for many people.)
I would like you guys to review my thoughts here and make sure my understanding of why BMSs are used the way they are is correct. Here goes.
- BMS systems are supposed to provide supervisory control to any type of complex piece of equipment that would have many variables to control. If this is the case typically the piece of equipment (chiller / boiler) will have its own PLC based controller. With a piece of equipment like this, the BMS should provide supervisory control meaning set point adjustment, start stop commands and readouts of what is going on with the machine to be provide to a remote operator. Typically a complex piece of equipment like this will be able to be operated without the direct intervention of the BMS if an operator desires. Ie... if the BMS computers are damaged or not functional etc..
- The opposite of that would be simple pieces of equipment that usually only require one variable to be modulated. An example of this would be a cooling tower or air handler, which would only require the modulation of 1 VFD in either case. Ie... if the condenser water temperature leaving the tower is to warm drive the cooling tower motor faster to flow more air through the tower and drive down the temperature. Air handlers are similar where you a usually only driving the fans and opening the valves on the coils to either heat or cool. These would be no where near as complex as operating a chiller or hot water/ steam boiler. CTs / air handlers also would not require any where near the amount of safties that a chiller or boiler needs.
The problem that has arisen is that at a building in manhattan we have a cogen plant that supplements heating hot water, domestic hot water and chilled water production for a building. The BMS system is required to be active in order to operate any of the equipment, including boilers for heating and domestic hot water chillers, cogen producers etc... There is no way for an operator to use the equipment in manual mode if need be.
Personally I feel this type of control strategy is incorrect. As stated above the BMS system is to provide supervisory control for efficiency and stop operators from running around like crazy. I have always operated under the premise of "get everything operating manually, then use the BMS system to integrate the operation of the whole system for efficiency." Even with this said, in areas like cooling towers and air handlers an operator can still use the equipment manually by selectiong "hand" control for motor starters and manually opening valves, etc... For the situation we are dealing with this is not a possiblity. I guess my thought process can be summed up as saying "BMS are installed to minimize the number of operators required to provide utilities to a building."
What do you guys think and what is the correct thought process for implenting a BMS control system in a building?
Thanks in advance for any help
The issue that has come up has to do with manual operation of equipment vs the BMS (building management as opposed to burner management, I know this is confusing for many people.)
I would like you guys to review my thoughts here and make sure my understanding of why BMSs are used the way they are is correct. Here goes.
- BMS systems are supposed to provide supervisory control to any type of complex piece of equipment that would have many variables to control. If this is the case typically the piece of equipment (chiller / boiler) will have its own PLC based controller. With a piece of equipment like this, the BMS should provide supervisory control meaning set point adjustment, start stop commands and readouts of what is going on with the machine to be provide to a remote operator. Typically a complex piece of equipment like this will be able to be operated without the direct intervention of the BMS if an operator desires. Ie... if the BMS computers are damaged or not functional etc..
- The opposite of that would be simple pieces of equipment that usually only require one variable to be modulated. An example of this would be a cooling tower or air handler, which would only require the modulation of 1 VFD in either case. Ie... if the condenser water temperature leaving the tower is to warm drive the cooling tower motor faster to flow more air through the tower and drive down the temperature. Air handlers are similar where you a usually only driving the fans and opening the valves on the coils to either heat or cool. These would be no where near as complex as operating a chiller or hot water/ steam boiler. CTs / air handlers also would not require any where near the amount of safties that a chiller or boiler needs.
The problem that has arisen is that at a building in manhattan we have a cogen plant that supplements heating hot water, domestic hot water and chilled water production for a building. The BMS system is required to be active in order to operate any of the equipment, including boilers for heating and domestic hot water chillers, cogen producers etc... There is no way for an operator to use the equipment in manual mode if need be.
Personally I feel this type of control strategy is incorrect. As stated above the BMS system is to provide supervisory control for efficiency and stop operators from running around like crazy. I have always operated under the premise of "get everything operating manually, then use the BMS system to integrate the operation of the whole system for efficiency." Even with this said, in areas like cooling towers and air handlers an operator can still use the equipment manually by selectiong "hand" control for motor starters and manually opening valves, etc... For the situation we are dealing with this is not a possiblity. I guess my thought process can be summed up as saying "BMS are installed to minimize the number of operators required to provide utilities to a building."
What do you guys think and what is the correct thought process for implenting a BMS control system in a building?
Thanks in advance for any help