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Anomaly: Looking for an explanation.

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itsmoked

Electrical
Feb 18, 2005
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I just spent a weekend troubleshooting a small production run. During testing 5 boards failed. After many hours of head scratching I got the miscreant boards running but I'm puzzled why they were acting up in the first place. I present the issue in the hopes someone savvier than I can shed some knowledge.

Here's the problematic circuit. (I did not design it!)

Comparitor_Issue_sd26w4.jpg


A: Goes to a couple of resistors that set the input's gain. Not an issue.
B: Goes to a dipswitch selecting 8 different resistors (to ground) trigger point levels. Not an issue.

C: Is the output where the anomaly is seen.

NOT THE ANOMALY looks like this:
Note: there are 2 traces the first (cause) is the input that drops a volt. The larger action (response) is what's at C.

Good_output_i3jbyr.jpg


All the boards sporting the above response worked fine as always.

[!]THE ANOMALY[/!] looks like this:
NO boards with this anomaly worked. Ultimately replacing U12 fixed all the no-op units. One had to have the U12 replaced twice to get one without the anomaly that then worked fine.

Bad_output_vtjr2z.jpg


It seems to me something inside this 16V/us OPAMP was not happy. Its guts look like this:


OPAMP_mcnxmx.jpg

TL072 Data Sheet

Anybody got any ideas?

Keith Cress
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That sounds like a bad batch of ICs.

Bill
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A couple of questions
> Why does C go down to almost -20V given what I assume are ±15V supplies to the op amps; datasheet says it should be around -12V?
> Why does C sag by about 2V after doing its one-shot transition; datasheet says it should be around 12V? (I think it's to do with saturation recovery of Q3)
> Is there a lot of reactance attached to B?

I'm almost tempted to think there's something going on with Q3

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