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Anchor Block Sizing Factor?

mqr7

Structural
Feb 25, 2025
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Hi all, first my background is structural. It’s the first time I have been requested to design an anchor block. I initially posted in the piping group and they advised me to post here instead due to the nature of the question. The piping is 48” dia. HDPE, all buried. Pipe rxn is 440 kips due to Poisson’s effect? (Not sure what that is but I leave that to the piping folks). We have a geotech report and the soils are primarily clay, with some layers of cohesionless material in there.

I have been following guidelines from PPI (see here: https://www.plasticpipe.org/common/...Division Publications/Anchor Block Report.pdf)

It has been helpful but not sure about some areas being applicable to my situation, so wanted to ask for some guidance. In that document, they use a 1.5 FOS to size the anchor block. They also consider only cohesionless soils in their report, and assume typical values of Ka, Kp, etc (vs. having the actual values in my case) to determine soil pressures acting on either side of the block. I am wondering where that 1.5 factor is derived, and whether it is being used to size the block due to some unknowns since they don’t have exact values and are providing generic guidance (and perhaps to cover any sliding effects?). If yes, does it make sense to include it in a situation where a geotech has provided those values in a report (and those factors therefore, inherently have margin built into them)?

I just want to make sure I am not being more conservative than I need to be since the block size is already quite large, but most importantly I want to make sure I am doing this correctly, so if the factor is reasonable and needed, I of course will include it in spite of the size. Any advice or guidance is appreciated.
 
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Need more information as to what design inputs are being used to determine the need for the thrust block. Typically hdpe pipe is welded and considered connected so the lateral restraint due to soil loads typically exceeds the lateral thrust. Pipe pressure rating, cover, installation type, flow rate, application, rapid shutdown, head. So far you are focusing on the output and no inputs to design.
 
I haven’t designed the pipe so I couldn’t tell you. I was given the reactions from the pipe analysis and told an anchor block was needed. The design of the anchor block is my focus.
 
Tell them to send calculations and maybe show a sketch of what is going on, there really isn’t sufficient information. A lot of times water lines will double up on restrained pipes with redundant thrust blocks. With non restrained joints the pipe can pull apart when movement occurs but with restrained joints they are connected unless the stress exceeds the pipe wall capacity. The only time I think it really is critical is when you go above ground then you have a different story. The 1.5 is really just a typical of soil related designs due to unknowns. Think of retaining walls sliding and over turning
 
That’s what I was thinking as well, for the 1.5 factor. Since the piping engineer laid it out and, since my background is not piping, I assume what he’s telling me is correct and what is needed. This post wasn’t meant to be whether the anchor block was needed or not. It was more of - they say they need this anchor block and here’s an example of how it’s designed but are some of these values too conservative given my situation. If the pipe parameters were needed for that, I apologize.
 
The soil cover to the pipe is 8’ in one case and 10’ in another. That’s about all the info I have out of what you asked @jhnblgr
 
The anchor block paper you attached is a design method to prevent joint separation in a segmented pipeline that is attached to a welded/fused HDPE pipeline. As mentioned above, bends within the welded pipeline are effectively restrained by soil friction along the pipeline, and no thrust block is necessary. An exception might be in the case of very shallow soil cover, but 8-ft cover should be sufficient to prevent any pipe movement.
 
That’s great confirmation. Now to convince my piping engineer it’s not needed… that’s a greater task :D
 

I have screened the doc. and could not find the measurements in case of substantial temperature drop. In general, if the pipe joints are pull-out resistant ( in this case as far as i understand ,the joints are welded ) the pipe is restrained axially by soil friction as long as the temperature changes are low. The coefficient of thermal expansion of HDPE is almost 10 times of steel and if the pipe subject to serious temperature drop, the external diameter will also drop and the available soil friction will not provide restraining .
I am not sure if the thrust blocks are not necessary.
You may provide more descriptive info. , the lay out, bends etc to get better responds.
 
The real issue I suspect is you're dealing with a piping engineer, not a pipeline engineer....
 

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