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Advice on Job Choice 4

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FullMetalBracket

Mechanical
Jun 3, 2009
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There are a few similar posts floating around but I desperately need some advice on my situation from some more experienced engineers. I need to choose between 2 jobs (we’ll call them ‘A’ and ‘B’), and the choice is killing me. Some background on myself:

Graduated 2 years ago with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Got a job relatively quickly after graduating at a large local company doing relatively simple mechanical design, moved on to doing stress and vibration analysis about 6 months ago. I decided after 2 years it was time to move on as I felt there was a lack of expertise where I am now and I could find more challenges and higher pay elsewhere (I was right). Now onto my two options…

Job ‘A’ is in the same city I am in now (and the same city I’ve lived in my entire life). It is at a large, well known aerospace company. A manager called me out of the blue a month ago as he had dug my CV out of a pile. It caught his eye due to my academic performance. I went for an interview with him and then one with HR, it went perfectly and we got along very well, and I now have an offer from them. I would be working in a group with a lot of expertise (lots of experience and multiple PhDs in the group) doing stress analysis, and while the job is somewhat specific and specialized it does sound very interesting and exciting. They would put a lot of money into training me and making me an ‘expert’ over the following years. Before hearing from Job B I was definitely convinced and unbelievably excited by the opportunity.

Job ‘B’ is in a city that would require me to move a very large distance. I applied to an online posting with them a few days before I got the call from ‘A’. After a phone interview (happened after my first interview with ‘A’) they flew me out to interview me in person. It went well (actually I thought it was going badly during the process), and I now have an offer from them. They are a small start-up (~35 people) working on a very ‘cool’ project. While what they are working on is a long shot, if successful it will make them very very rich. The job is more of a design position, however since it is a small company I would obviously be involved in many aspects of the project, running experiments and doing general research. It would also be very hands on and I’d be spending less time behind a computer. The team is very multi-disciplinary and has many ‘experts’ from many different fields. The city they are in appeals to me as well.

Basically Job ‘A’ is a pretty safe bet, no surprises there. I’d get a lot of attention and training, and it is in a position I know I would excel in. My life wouldn’t change tremendously except for the fact that I’d be happy with my job and slightly more wealthy ;) Job ‘B’ is more risky, more adventurous and could be much more exciting if everything works out. I’d definitely be put in a position to learn more on my own and figure things out myself. I’m very young, have no children and few belongings, so the move out would be easy at this point in my life. My girlfriend is open to the idea and would look for a new job there. My main worry I guess is that the job lasts a year or less, and I’m put in a position where I want to move again but she has settled into a new position in the new location.

I guess this comes down to ‘Big company vs small company’, ‘Safe vs Risky’, ‘Re-locate or don’t’ all combined. Right now I’m leaning towards taking a chance, heading out into the unknown and dealing with the consequences if it doesn’t work out. However I keep thinking to myself “Go with ‘A’, spend a few years gaining expertise, and once your learning plateaus think about moving on to a smaller company or within the same company”.

Any advice from some more experienced engineers?
 
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I think it depends on your personality. I like my life to be predictable with a very low level of risk, so I would choose job A. If you are more adventurous and get bored with life easily, job B would be a better choice. Both jobs sound like viable options, but only you can decide which is best for you.
 
Does city 'B' have a large enough job market to allow you to get another engineering job if the one you move out there for doesn't work out? Or will you have to move again to find a decent job?

Job 'A' may make you into a well defined expert in a field but it will also likely pigeon hole you since all your experience will be in a very specific area. Engineers are often limited not by how smart they are, but rather by companies only wanting to employ them to do the same thing they have been doing for 15 years. Call it career inertia :) Don't count on being in your 30's or 40's, with tons of training at company 'A', and being able to transition to anything else besides management over people doing what you are an expert in.

Job 'B' sounds much faster paced and would likely result in you developing more of your own style of design. The danger here is your style, unless the industry this startup is in has lots of specs and codes to follow, is going to be of lesser value to other industries should you need to switch careers. Many startups press engineers into roles where expediency is more valued than actually doing a 'proper' job and you end up ignoring things like ASME Y14.5 because your way works for you. This is fine until you switch jobs later on. Employers often want engineers who have working knowledge of this code or that and aren't terribly impressed that you did things your own way, even it it all worked out.

Since you are young I'd say take the risk. As time goes on it will be increasingly harder to pick up and make big changes. Just be aware of your knowledge and make conscious effort to not get too far 'out of touch' with industry standards.

 
Unless B is in the sticks, such that a new job would REQUIRE you to relocate yet again, I'd take it! At worst, a stint at B should not disqualify you from jobs like A in the next few years.

A word of advice: if B is headed into the toilet, don't stay there forever hoping it will one day turn around.

Try to figure out, before you join, what up-side for you personally there will be if the start-up B becomes a booming business. Don't assume you'll be handed profit sharing or ownership or any other slice of the pie merely in gratitude for being one of the early people there, unless that is spelled out in your offer. People who have kicked in their own money or foregone salary etc. to get a start-up going don't always feel generous toward later hires who got a full salary from day one.
 
In your position, unless you have strong ties to the area for Job A, this could be a good time for you to relocate. GregTirevold makes a VERY (I can't stress it enough) point about making sure that the area has plenty of OTHER prospects. In this forum, I have a recent thread on negotiating an offer which is partially the correction of my making that mistake. I took a job with relocation into an area that has near zero prospects for my line of work other than this company. My soon to be ex coworkers have lamented since I got here that they are effectively stuck unless they are willing to sell their homes in a down market and move.

You could get to the new area, get a home, start a family, and then decide it is time to change jobs. Relocating is tough and can be (and usually is) an effing torture on your family.

Having said that, the risk versus reward for a start up can lead to real rewards. If you do go for the start up, be sure as Moltenmetal pointed out that you are not getting the risk (that you relocate and they go belly up) without a stake in the rewards.
 
you should also consider the girlfriend's expectations a little more carefully - many girls that I've known consider "moving to a different city with him" to be somewhere close on the list to "saying yes to his marriage proposal." If you're not thinking along those same lines, probably better to cut the rope before you go wheels-up.
 
"Job 'A' is a pretty safe bet" - ha! aerospace can be VERY cyclical - don't bet on it being safe.

As mentioned above, if the job B offer is good, and you get some piece of the company, and the city is good, and there are other companies/jobs in that area, then go for it. You're young - see the world - work on something exciting - you only live once - and the Job A type jobs will always be there later if you are competent and have good experience.
 
I second ivymike's statement. If you are not thinking that you might ask her to marry you in the near future, don't drag her away from her friends and family.

Peter Stockhausen
Senior Design Analyst (Checker)
Infotech Aerospace Services
 
don't drag her away from her friends and family.

I did just that. Both of our families are in Ohio and we moved to North Carolina. In comparison, well, there is none and neither of us could live in Ohio again, but ... and this is a big but ... Even after 10 years I still hear the complaints about being distanced from her family.
 
Thanks for the advice guys! My girlfriend and I have been together for almost 9 years (high school sweethearts you could say...) so no worries on the 'commitment' side.

City B is another major city, and there will definitely be other jobs to be found. SWComposites, you are definitely right that I should be wary calling any job in the aerospace industry 'safe'. By 'safe bet' I meant more in terms of the fact that there are few mysteries concerning the work environment, the training I'll receive and all that.

I think I'm going to go for it and side with Job A. When I graduated I had certain ideas of what my career should be like and bouncing between large companies (ie working for 'the man') and playing it safe was not what I had in mind. Whenever I'm faced with a hard decision like this I usually ask myself "When I'm lying on my death bed, which choice am I least likely to regret?". I doubt I'll regret taking on the adventure and the risk, even if it doesn't work out.

Thanks for the advice, it's funny how a few words from some experienced strangers can help one more than countless conversations with friends and family.
 
Speaking from personal experience,follow your heart and you would not feel sorry even if it went wrong!
 
bracket: I think what you meant to say was that you'll take the "riskier" job B with the start up, correct? If you're choosing A, the rest of your most recent post makes no sense to me!
 
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