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  1. JLang17

    Straightness Tolerance concave vs convex?

    I have a metal door, just a flat piece with formed edges for rigidity. The prototype had an issue with concave bowing. Concave bowing is not acceptable, but x-amount of convex bowing is ok...I'm not quite sure how to call this out on the drawing. I immediately think of a straightness...
  2. JLang17

    pattern as a Datum & timing?

    No tertiary datum is needed for the second pattern since D establishes 2 planes at once. If pattern D were to be clocked in one way or the other, the second pattern would clock with it. As far as I can tell, your example looks fine.
  3. JLang17

    Use of Centerlines

    And don't forget to spin the pencil as you pull!
  4. JLang17

    Hole pattern

    Don't datums B and C need a condition modifier in the FCF? Due to datum shift.
  5. JLang17

    Datum needed?

    Ya, this was just a quick sketch so there are some small things wrong. Thanks for the help.
  6. JLang17

    Datum needed?

    Please take a look at the attached image. Do the hole centerlines imply that the outer edges are square with the hole pattern? Or do I need a clocking datum (one of the widths) to line everything up correctly? Thanks!
  7. JLang17

    Profile Control of Datum

    Here's a better image.http://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=f862fc16-9a23-495d-b62b-4722f737d696&file=profdwgA.jpg
  8. JLang17

    Profile Control of Datum

    For whatever reason, the back edges of the tabs are missing. The .500 dimension is the width of the tab.
  9. JLang17

    Profile Control of Datum

    Please see the attached drawing. I am using ASME Y14.5-2009, I think the '94 version would have "two surfaces" in place of my "2x", but anyway... Profile of a surface requires the true profile to be established with basic dimensions. I can't find anything in the standard that overrides this...
  10. JLang17

    Expanded use of ALL AROUND Symbol

    If you have a profile with radii at corners and straight sections between them, I don't think the all-around symbol can be used on the radii dimension leader. The reason being that the dimension is only applicable on the radii - but the all-around symbol is telling you to apply it everywhere on...
  11. JLang17

    Datum Pattern Dimensioning

    Saving a little math was the only practical reason I could think of, but since I'm not experienced I figured I better consult with the masterminds. I also thought since the centerplane is what goes into establishing the DRF, technically this is what you should dimension from.
  12. JLang17

    Datum Pattern Dimensioning

    When you have a pattern of holes as a datum, do the dimensions for other features come from the centerplane derived from the pattern, or from the center of one of the holes? I've been searching around and I keep finding it done both ways, are both ways really allowed? I believe inspection is...
  13. JLang17

    Separate block tolerances for "holes"?

    Defining a hole is an interesting thing. A hole dug in the ground is quite a different beast from a hole in a sweater. I'd be inclined to think "hole" would need a definition referenced on the drawing somewhere. Or at least more specific, ex. drilled thru hole
  14. JLang17

    Assembly Drawings - Arrow tip for part callout on the outline of part

    In all my areas of CAD work (electrical, civil, architectural) I have always used, and seen, a dot for a leader to a surface, as KENAT said. A dot will read "surface" and the arrow would read "this point on the surface", but I don't know if this in a standard anywhere.
  15. JLang17

    Datum Pattern Callouts

    If a datum is referenced, should that datum be fully defined (in this case hole size, size tol, gd&t) on the same sheet? Or is it ok to have to look back at an earlier sheet? In my case I have Datum B fully defined on Sheet 1, but the other sheets have features that reference datum B. So my...
  16. JLang17

    Datum Pattern Callouts

    I have a part drawing that contains 6 sheets. A pattern of 2 holes is called out as Datum B on Sheet 1. I need to identify Datum B on the other sheets, but it's not necessary to callout the size of the holes. What is the proper way to do this (if there is a proper way)? Do I need to callout...
  17. JLang17

    True Position using Bolt circle and Angle

    What if you gave the small hole X,Y dimensions from your datum A, or large hole, and then apply positional tolerance and reference datum A. This will maintain the distance you desire and since there is no clocking datum, the small hole can orbit around datum axis A.
  18. JLang17

    Orientation & Size Limits

    Consider the .04 the implied 90 tolerance (or it's equivelent in decimal terms), then we still have the issue of whether the size tolerance matters. The problem I'm seeing is - when do we consider the dimension to include the entire surface it extends from, and when do we not?
  19. JLang17

    Orientation & Size Limits

    Woops! Datum A is suppose to be the vertical surface.

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