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Explanation for 8/9 in H1-1A

ViaParadise

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Currently reviewing a design where the intention is to use section H of the AISC for verification. The issue I have is that while i'm familiar with the equation itself (H1-1A), I can't understand exactly why the factor 8/9 is used. If there is a reference to how this number is derived somewhere and/or explained or if someone has a decent answer then I would greatly appreciate that.

My current understanding from trying to read through the commentary explanation is this:
δ: For a member subject to bending and axial force the member will deform a small delta, δ, along its length due to bending. As a result when evaluating the section where this δ occurs, the compression remains the same but due to δ caused by bending (or can it also include due to imperfections?) then additional moment is P*δ.
Δ: For the same member, as its ends deflect relative to one another (maybe because of a lateral force acting on the member) the end cross section furthest from the applied axial load is subject to a moment, P*Δ.
8/9: when calculating the utilization per H1-1A, we consider the axial and bending plastic capacity ignoring their interaction. I.e. pretend our beam-column is a beam for bending capacity and a column for axial capacity. Our demands, Pu and Mu, consider PΔ and Pδ already for both the Mu and Pu individually so we reduce the Mu demand to avoid double-counting. My question is where do we base that number 8/9 on assuming this is the reasoning?

Again, a bit confused with how exactly this equation and specifically that 8/9 factor is derived and the assumptions (and when those assumptions don't hold). Thanks to anyone who can help.
 
The commentary for H1 has some discussion on the evolution of this.
I read it quickly but it appears that there is an exact curve for the interaction of P and M strengths and they came up with an approximate equation (see EQ C-H1-4 in the 360-16 commentary) which has a 1.18 factor on the axial. 1/1.18 is approximately 8/9.

They state that this "new" approach appeared in the 1986 specifications so you might look there.
 
IIRC, Salmon and Johnson talk about this. Research (1970s?) defined an interaction curve. It was fit with two lines. One line has the 8/9 to fit the interaction curve.

Going from memory. Hopefully you can find a copy of S&J.
 
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