Hi All
we had the motors rewound with standard winding wire restored to as new condition. We ran the motors at the same voltage with the same drives under the same environmental conditions. i.e. same, same, same, same...
we made a simple low cost modification which my customer is holding close...
Hi mikekilroy
its not a overtemp failing of the windings. we have inspected and found areas of where the windings insulation has been failing. there is no discolouration. there is degradation of insulation coatings. but not temp related.
insulation coatings also outgas...
yes our squirrel...
Hi Chasbean1
notes to your questions below.
1) How are the 30°C temperatures measured while the system is near a perfect vacuum? Measurement methods might be suspect without air.
--> the temps were measured with a infrared temp sensor pointing at the hub in various locations when under a...
Hi Mikemay and btrueblood and dread
We had looked into the old vsd setup. It is an old pdl xtravert drive with no output filter and 4kHz switching frequency. The new vsd with sinusoidal filter was set to have the same 4kHz switching frequency.
The old machine is in a different city and is in a...
FYI an update - we are currently doing a test in the original machine with the new fan. We are half way through a week long test. If the new fans do not survive then it indicates that the fans manufacturer has changed the insulation...if they do survive then the issue is probably a combination...
Thanks BillPall
Moving the motor outside of the chamber is difficult due to the chamber being a very tight fit inside a container. so cant put the motor outside.
ideally we want to rewind the motor with winding wire with the correct insulation to survive the vacuum.
regards
ryan
Ryanmech...
Thanks wktaylor
Yeah - Russians fans could be difficult to procure. They will prob be low voltage dc motors.
For our situation, a fan has been running in the same vacuum environment for 10years. The new fan is not surviving. We think that the winding insulation has changed over the past...
Hi
The fans run fine at normal atmos conditions. Its just a squirrel cage motor with the cage embedded in the fan hub.
We rewound a motor but it failed in the same manner. Earth fault.
It is not a perfect vacuum so there is still air 5%. A fan moves the air to some degree.
All theory points...
Hi DB
thanks for the link
yes understood - we are in contact with these people but are yet to hear back from them.
Hi Chicopee
we are in contact with a company which may be able to assist us - yes NASA does have a lot of info - what we are after is people with practical experience solving...
Thanks Mike
any idea what a suitable voltage would be to avoid partial discharge at 5kPa absolute pressure?
thanks and much appreciated
regards
ryan
Ryanmech
Scott Technology Ltd NZ
Machinery automation
Hi
Short question: What type of winding insulation should be used for a fan motor that is within a vacuum?
please see details and PLEASE RESPOND in the thread:
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=395029&action=updated
all suggestions much appreciated
regards
ryan
Ryanmech
Scott...
Hi Scotty
thanks for the suggestion to post on the aircraft and aerospace forums - according to compositepro I would be further outside the posting guidelines.... cross posting etc.
Hi EdStainless and MikeHalloran
I am really looking for a motor manufacturer who is specialised in motors in a...
Thanks Keith
Yes we found empiremagnetics people on Thursday...
Indicatively they are very expensive....well lab equipment expensive...
We will contact them next week.
in the mean time we are looking for advice from a engineer with practical experience in insulating motors in a vacuum...
Thanks Keith
The application does not lend itself to have the motors outside of the vacuum chamber due to other constraints.
The previous machine has worked with the same fan model for ten years with no issues. We think the fan motor insulation has changed in the past ten years. The fan motor...