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    Rating a Variable-Area Pipe Using DIERS Methodology

    The method used by DIERS for two-phase, homogenous pipe flow is isenthalpic HEM numerical integration. For a constant-area pipe, pressure increments are made from the upstream pressure, P1, to the pressure at the exit of the pipe, P2 (which may or may not be the choked pressure), and then length...
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    Resistance to Flow Method for Rupture Disks in Two-Phase Flow Service

    Thanks for the replies and sorry for the late reply. There's no question in my mind that I should use an HEM approach, because it is easier and more conservative than other approaches, and recommended by DIERS and API. I was just wondering if I could implement HEM into the Resistance to Flow...
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    Resistance to Flow Method for Rupture Disks in Two-Phase Flow Service

    Does anybody know if the Resistance to Flow Method explained in Appendix E of API 520 Part 1 can be used to verify the capacity of rupture disk in two-phase flow service? The equations API uses are compressible flow equations from Crane Technical Paper No. 410. I'm thinking that two-phase flow...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    Thanks PaoloPemi. I didn't know what was meant by "constant energy flash operation" but I get it now after reading the description for the EPF() function.
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    >I see that for n-Heptane at 0 Psig (101327 Pa.a) Prode predicts a saturation temperature of 371.577 K or 209.168 F Is there a Prode function that can be used in excel that outputs the saturation temperature for a given pressure? >the ratio Pin/Pout in close to 1.0 which means that you are far...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    ...so I used the mass flux calculated for Pout=0 psig as my Gmax. Pages 120-121 of the DIERS project manual show an example of this procedure. Assuming I did everything right, then Prode must be using some different method or it's because of the difference in ANotine coefficients I mentioned...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    First off, when I say Gmax, I mean the mass flux at choked conditions, or, if the flow is not choked (and it's not in this case), I mean the mass flux at the backpressure, 0 psig in this case. I started my procedure by first assuming homogenous flow such that for a liquid full vessel, the...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    Thanks apetri. I spoke to an expert in the area of two-phase vent sizing and he suggested that when calculating the two-phase mass flow rate, I use the following equations, which can be derived from general principles: Wv = Q/L dVv/dt = Wv(1/ρv – 1/ρl) Wtp = (dVv/dt)ρtp Where...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    Nevermind the question about the atmospheric pressure being 1 bar. I was thinking in psi.
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    Thanks for the reply apetri. I hadn't even realized there were all these excel sheets like nozzle.xls saved in the Prode installation folder until I read this post. It makes it much easier to use the program. Just to be sure, the Pout entered is the backpressure, right? I'm not sure because in...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    apetri, I revisited API 521, namely section 5.15.3 for how to find flow rates in the fire case. For the all liquid case a hydraulic expansion equation is used and for the all vapor case the heat input is divided by the latent heat of vaporization (W=Q/L). However, as far as I can tell it is not...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    I would preferably like to formulate a general procedure, but if you know a way for finding W in the fire case, I'd be glad to hear it, as that's often the worst case emergency. The information in the last thread I started indeed was very helpful. I've since been able to complete my excel sheet...
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    how to find two-phase mass flow rate (not mass flux)

    Hi all, I am trying to figure out how to size a PRV for two-phase flow. All the sizing calculations I've come across give methods like HEM or the Omega method in order to find the maximum two-phase mass flux, G. Then the formula A=W/(K*G) (where A is required orifice area, W is the mass flow...
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    Sizing for Two-Phase Liquid/Vapor Relief - What to do if vapor quality is not known

    Thanks for the post PaoloPemi. I've been trying to follow along with the thread you sent a link to before, http://eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=329093. In the thread Latexman references a method in the FAQ section that he's based one of his own excel sheets off of...
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    Sizing for Two-Phase Liquid/Vapor Relief - What to do if vapor quality is not known

    @ Latexman, I believe the graph you're referring to is Figure I-B1 in the DIERS book. It is a graph of average void fraction vs. dimensionless superficial vapor velocity. There are also equations for the curves on the graph; I came across them when searching for a method of predicting when...
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