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    (-25 Degree F) Sprinkler Protection

    Thanks Cda, We are all speaking the same language. "Fire suppression is a failure in prevention"
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    (-25 Degree F) Sprinkler Protection

    S Well, well, well. Yes, I have explored all options A-Z and had F,P,and E was probably after C and mentioned after seeing what difficulties we faced. I asked the questions to exhaust all available resources for the customer(s). I had to fish these waters since my old info was out dated. I was...
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    (-25 Degree F) Sprinkler Protection

    I am the AHJ and there will be no storage in this area of operation. The area can be sprinkled by OH heads however it can not meet the obstruction criteria of NFPA 13 hence these questions. This arrangement appears to be beyond anything in the 13 2016 handbook and NFPA says it's up to us as...
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    (-25 Degree F) Sprinkler Protection

    Been a while since visiting the forum and glad it’s still top notch. The issue I’m facing is a 21,300 (-25 degree F) quick chill area devised by (3) insulated metal paneling bays. The ceiling of this area is the walkable flooring of an interstitial space above which will be fully sprinkled...
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    Is there any use learning all fire related codes by heart?

    Hal................welcome to the "real world" of design and or specification in fire protection systems. In the field one encounters many applications or needs to anticipate what the code/standard intends and what is given on or during a final acceptance in the field of fire protection...
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    Is there any use learning all fire related codes by heart?

    Try dealing with field modifications due to unexpected issues created by conditions not known or provided to the design professional. Try dealing with stuff that the code/standard does not address (beyond the scope. There is more to just knowing the digits. Know where to find it, how to...
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    Determining the Capacity of Water Tank for Fire Fighting!

    Since you are using NFPA try NFPA 1 (18.4 and T18.4.5.1.2) "Fire suppression is a failure in prevention"
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    Heads on a branch line

    I understood it as Travis does also. When using residential heads in a 13 design one needs to follow 11.3 but I could be wrong also. "Fire suppression is a failure in prevention"
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    ESFR Design Proposal

    Thanks guys, all great advice/insight! SS, I hear you loud and clear about the scope thing and being an official as I mentioned to the firm in the first pre-construction meeting while questioning the listings just thought I was missing something since my obligation to our customer (foreign...
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    ESFR Design Proposal

    DRWeig, DP = Design Professional or looking for a NICET IV or better. RDP + Registered Design Professional or looking for and Engineer or FPE (Fire Protection Engineer) LCREP, I hear ya and yes that is correct. I learned some additional detail regarding the process: (Closed System with a FP...
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    ESFR Design Proposal

    Clarification: (i.e. specific allowance) I should have said, use other than storage of challenging commodities. Sometimes the brain just gets stuck. "Fire suppression is a failure in prevention"
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    ESFR Design Proposal

    OK....any of you designers or DP's have any research links to the allowance of ESFR for the protection of an area used for IIIB paint process. There are no issues with ceiling or obstructions or supply. I have racked my brain in research of FM, 13 and UL and can't find any specific allowance...
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    Flex-Fire Sprinkler Heads

    This may be true in some areas of the country but let’s not stereotype since the sword can cut both ways. The majority of fire service professionals I encounter whom are obligated to evaluate these and other design schemes are well versed in many methodologies of fire protection design and...
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    Flex-Fire Sprinkler Heads

    Ditto and thank you SS! "Fire suppression is a failure in prevention"
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    External fire alarm bell (or water motor gong)

    Keep forgetting about this site. The requirements for "exterior" for water flow alarm notification appliances comes from the Building Code for new systems and the Fire Code for existing installations. The exact location may be specific for each jurisdiction but the code(s) just says one must...
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