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Full and Complete STOP
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Full and Complete STOP

Full and Complete STOP

(OP)
What is the difference between a "FULL" stop and a "COMPLETE" stop?  

Is there something incomplete about a complete stop that it needs to be ANDED with "full"?

TTFN

RE: Full and Complete STOP

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A "full stop" is used at the end of a sentence.

A "complete stop" is what you do at a Stop sign, if you want to avoid a traffic ticket.

RE: Full and Complete STOP

(OP)
This is in reference to when your plane pulls up to the terminal and the pilot says,"Remain seated until the plane comes to a full and complete stop."

TTFN

RE: Full and Complete STOP

I'm sure He/She means: "Full and Final Stop"

They might have made a Full Stop...but the journey isn't complete until the Final Stop. The journey isn't complete until the wands are crossed (for the last time).

Rerig

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Probably he means the full stop of his annoncement and complete stop of the aircraft but is unsure what may come first.

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If you slam on your brakes, (non abs vehicle) and lock up all your wheels, what does your speedometer read, as you slide up to (and/or through) the stop sign???  According to your legal speed determination measurement device, you have zero velocity, hence you are stopped.  On the other hand, a Judge would take a dim view of your not having come to a 'full and complete' stop, notwithstanding what your speedometer told you.

rmw

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Gotta' love those Mechanical's.

The Onboard Speedometer may read zero... but the actual velocity of the vehicle is not zero.

If I were driving my car in the cargo bay of a C-141, I would be showing 5 MPH... but actually doing 445 +/- 5 MPH.

My speedometer only tells me what the wheels are doing.
On ice I can get to 15 MPH without moving an inch!
If I'm not moving, I have no acceleration, nor velocity.
(except what the Earth is doing)

Any fool who gets up and opens the overhead bin door prior to the COMPLETE STOP deserves what he gets... but would probably sue the airline anyway.

You guys are a Hoot.
Gotta' love it!

Rerig

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This airlinespeak also appears in announcements at US airports that "the aircraft at gate 3 will be departing momentarily." I would prefer it to depart for as long as is necessary to reach the destination.

I think they mean it will be "..departing in a moment," or "soon"

Jeff

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You wouldn't think it matters a damn, would you? A stop is a stop is a stop.

Yet, here in UK, the guard/conductor on a train (I'm sure he's now called a client interface manager or something) has come up with new habit.

He used to say "The next stop is Swindon". Now he has to say "The next station stop is Swindon".

By putting in the word "station", they're avoiding lawsuits from a passenger who opens the door when the train stops at signals after the announcement but before arrival. They say this even when there are interlocked doors which don't open until the train is stopped in the station.

Worryingly, some mentally negligible passenger has probably hurled himself from a stationary train because he observed the strict instruction of the guard and inferred that he was in the station, stepping out of the door into a 6-foot void to instant death on the electrified line below. I do hope so.

Luckily, nobody can ever understand a word the guard's saying because of his thick accent and the prehistoric PA system.

What a crazy world!

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Harrisj:

Hopefully that is an example of natural selection at work!  

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This reminds me of the half full half empty thing.

Harrisj,
Is it a COMPLETE station stop or a FULL station stop?
hee hee

rmw
What kind of car has the brakes lock up all the wheels?

I'm in a weird mood today, not enough coffee yet

RE: Full and Complete STOP

There is a difference in aviation between a stop and go, and a full stop.  A stop and go means that you intend to land, come to a complete stop, and then take off right away, as opposed to a full stop, which means you are going to park the airplane and shut it down.

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While looking into this topic, I came accross this web pgae Autumn and Year - End, 1999 News and Notes and found the following sentence on that page.

Quote (FromWebPage):

NFPA (the National Fire Protection Association) and  DOH policy both state that there should be a complete stop at all negative traffic control devices (e.g., steady red traffic signals, full stop signs, flashing red traffic signals, etc.).
The phrase "full stop signs" caught my attention.  A full stop sign as opposed to what, a half stop sign, or an empty stop sign?

RE: Full and Complete STOP

(OP)
And again, why in

Quote:

complete stop at all negative traffic control devices (e.g., steady red traffic signals, full stop signs, flashing red traffic signals, etc.)
is there the usage of "complete stop" vs "full stop?"

TTFN

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Ever heard of a "California Stop"??
Not a full stop...slowly rolling until the light changes to green....or you see no cars coming at a stop sign.

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When we moved from California to Illinois, I of course had to take a driving test.  After I "stopped" at a cross-sreet, the examiner said, "in Illinois we make a complete stop at stop signs.  Clearly I had made a California stop.

Jesus is THE life,
Leonard

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Isn't "complete stop" or "full stop" (except for the grammatical term) a tautology?  You're either stopped or you are not.  Anything else just waters down the concept of "stopped".

Bung
Life is non-linear...

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Quote (ctopher):

Ever heard of a "California Stop"??
Not a full stop...slowly rolling until the light changes to green....or you see no cars coming at a stop sign.

Only at stop signs - and I always heard that referred to as a "farmer's stop".  So I would expect it to be MORE common in Illinois than in California - unless you're in Chicago, where all bets are off.  [I'm still not prepared to drive in Chicago, or Boston or LA. and a few other similarly crazy places.]

Lest you think I'm deriding farmers, my father grew up on one (and I think I first heard the phrase from him - or maybe my mother ) - he became an engineer in order to leave the farm.  Or so he once told me.

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metman, the rules must have changed between when you moved and when I did.  I had only a written test to take.  Regardless, you should have replied "I like totally paused!"

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"MORE common in Illinois than in California "

Are there more farms in IL than CA?  More farmers?

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Quote (sqdjlg):

Lest you think I'm deriding farmers, my father grew up on one

must resist....must resist...

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The word Farmer is gender neutral.
I've seen a lot of GOOD looking female farmers.

Hey, leanne...don't resist among friends.
Let it out!
At least in this forum.
Is that deriding like dismounting???

RE: Full and Complete STOP

The best example I heard was of a southern USA Policeman who stopped a man for driving through a stop sign.  The man clamed he slowed down considerably yet admitted he did not stop.  The Big Policeman took out his nightstick and started hammering the offenders hood.  Then the man said, "Stop that".  The Policeman asked if he wanted him to stop or just slow down?

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Ok.  I left an ambiguous pronoun antecedent on that phrase.  It should have read "My father grew up on a farm".

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toolmantwo,
Some years ago, a chief engineer we worked under hired a consulting engineer to give a refresher course in engineering statics.  Our instructor was telling us a side- story.  He was cited for not stopping completely -- full --or whatever you want to call it (I side with bung)-- at the exit from an interstate highway.  He pled his case before the judge and explained how nothing ever comes to a stop until it reaches absolute zero and went into some detail durng his explanation about molecular activity etc.  The judge asked him if he was an engineer.  "Yes" he said and the judge dismissed the case.  The impression I got was that he wore down the judge who became bored or whatever with his explanation.

Jesus is THE life,
Leonard

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toolmantwo

"The best example I heard was of a southern USA Policeman who stopped a man for driving through a stop sign.  The man clamed he slowed down considerably yet admitted he did not stop.  The Big Policeman took out his nightstick and started hammering the offenders hood.  Then the man said, "Stop that".  The Policeman asked if he wanted him to stop or just slow down?"

I once was watching a set of stand-up comics and one of them did this routine and did an excellent Jack Nickolson voice for the policeman. Made the joke twice as funny.

"Now, would you like me to stop or ... just slow down?"

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I think the terms "full and complete stop" are nautical in origin.  Doesn't it have to do with how much of the engine/ propusion system is shut down?  Is there a forum for marine engineering?

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It seems to me that I remember the term "all stop" in nautical circumstances.  This I believe is more descriptive when you have different functions or even segments of a system e.g. a power-train either moving or stopped.

To quote bung from above, "Isn't "complete stop" or "full stop" (except for the grammatical term) a tautology?  You're either stopped or you are not.  Anything else just waters down the concept of "stopped"."

Jesus is THE life,
Leonard

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Has anyone heard the phrase used "Start to stop?"

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Oops,
It should be "Start to stop"?

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Sure.
A lot of people "Start to stop.
The problem is many don't complete the stop.

Hence, a "Rolling Stop".
$35 please.

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Here in America 'MOMENTARILY' has a different meaning than when used in the UK. Check out Merriam Webster.

One time confused Brit in America.

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Don’t you love it when on Star Trek they say ‘full stop’.

Full stop in space with respect to what?

Rick Kitson MBA P.Eng

Construction Project Management
From conception to completion
www.kitsonengineering.com

RE: Full and Complete STOP

In Massachusetts, the language of the drivers instruction manual may instruct and define a "full stop" or any other  kind of a stop, but most stop signs are entirely ignored, and the "yield" signs are evidently ignored, not understood, or both.  Driving an intact vehicle here is not only a goal but a challenge.

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And I like the 19th Century use of the word "directly."  "We'll be along directly," meaning shortly, soon.  I've introduced it to my own lexicon, and with my own use, it may begin to spread.

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