Detecting broken rotor bars
Detecting broken rotor bars
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Is there a way to detect broken rotor bars by looking at the motor speed and/or current? What should I look for?
Thanks,
Podo
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Is there a way to detect broken rotor bars by looking at the motor speed and/or current? What should I look for?
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RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
In current, rotor bar problem may cause oscillating current indication. That oscillation is more readily detected using FFT analysis of current waveform. Look for pole pass sidebands around 60hz. When they get in the neighborhood of 0.5% of the main 60hz peak we start to suspect rotor bar problem.
Similarly in vibration we look for pole pass sidebands around 1x and harmonics of 1x. This is an indication but of rotor bar problems but not conclusive.
Rotor bar problems are often thermal sensitive and often vibration and oscillation gets worse over a period of hours after start from cold. Also often accompanied by a growling sound.
An relatively non-intrusive off-line test is the single-phase test. With rotor removed there are additional inspections available.
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RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
Most people tend to think that motor current FFT is the way to go. But there are a couple of other ways, as you indicated.
In the good old days, the analoge ammeter did quite a good job in filtering away all frequencies above five or so Hz. So it was quite easy to see the small low-frequency current variations that a broken rotor bar results in. It is very similar to the frequency analysis that you get from an FFT process. Look for small periodic variations in motor current. I use a clamp-on ammeter with soft iron instrument. Works well and is not affected by PWM inverters. Hard to get these days, though.
Measuring slip and comparing to calculated slip is also a useful technique. As an example, assume that your motor has 1450 RPM rated speed at full load (50 Hz grid). The slip will be close to zero at no load and 50 RPM at full load. Now, you have to know the shaft load. So you will need to know the kW input and then multiply by efficiency AT THAT LOAD, and that is where it gets tricky. But if you arrive at, say, 70 % load, then your slip should be 35 RPM. That is, the speed shall be 1465 RPM. If you measure a much lower speed, like 1440 RPM or so, you can be sure that one or more rotor bars are broken.
A broken bar often/always shows as excess rotor temperature and if someone tells you that the shaft or the bearings are unusually hot compared to what it used to be, you should start thinking rotor bars.
The number one method (not counting FFT) is to look for slow periodic motor current variations, though.
RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
It is good to see that we have similar thinking here.
RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
WARNING! There is a chance to identify something as rotor bar problems, yet it really was an oscillation of the load. The rotor bar signature is on one very definite spot (as a function of slip) in the current vs. frequency spectrum. Here is how you make sure that it is a broken bar and not an oscillation of the load: You can calculate the particular location of the broken bar signature in your spectrum to be at the "fr" frequency:
fr = ffund * (1-2*s)
where "ffund" is the fundamental (50 or 60 Hz for line operated, or whatever frequency your VFD is giving out).
"s" is the slip, which is equal to
s = (synch. speed - operating speed) / (synch. speed)
The fr frequency should come out to up to 1 or 2 Hz below the fundamental. If there is not enough "separation" from the fundamental, then either increase your time of data acquisition, or your load.
Make sure that you have no load change during your data acquisition, because that shifts the sideband around, and you end missing a severe rotor bar problem.
Other effects of broken bars are: longer start-up time (even causing a trip), higher stator currents than a healthy cage, hotter motor, and the stator current going up and down with a consistent beat of less than 1 time per second (looking at it with a Fluke or at the display of your MCC).
There are also tools available on the market, that make this whole thing automatically for you.
RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
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RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
We use our Entek vibration data collector with clamp-on current probe instead of accerometer. The data is processed, stored, and displayed in the same manner as our vib data.
PDMA also makes an on-line and off-line box with pretty big array of capabilities. I've never used it but heard some good things.
One test possible with pdma off-line tester:
Rotor influence test - Similar to single-phase test except it uses low power signal and relies on rotor residual magnetism.
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RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
Best regards,
Mark Empson
http://www.lmphotonics.com
RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~artin/Papers/IEEE%20Tran%20IA%20Vol%2035%20No%205%20Sep-Oct%201999.pdf
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RE: Detecting broken rotor bars
the rotational speed : Establish in software N bins
and sample the current of each phase N times per revolution and add up the values in each bins.
You can repeat this process for a number of revolution
which is selected to represent close to an integer cycles of the line freqency so it is integrated out ( the integral of a sine for 2*pi interval == 0 !)
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