New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
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I am a new engineer charged with understanding some of the changes between editions of the code, specifically parts of Section VIII Div 1 and Section II, Part D. Can anyone point me in the direction of a resource that can explain not only the changes, but the rationale behind them? I'm researching changes especially that occured between 1995 and 1998, but I sense that they may be a bit more far reaching.
Thanks in advance!
Kurz82
Thanks in advance!
Kurz82





RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
I understnd that there is to be released this month ( Jun 04) a complete rewrite of Section VIII div 2, so the minor annual changes will seem insignificant compared to this rewrite.
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
As a practical matter, the code changes are based on consensus and voted on in a quasi-political manner.To find an accurate written summary of what the "raionale" was is not easy to find, since the real rationale might be grey areas such as (a) a recent series of accidents or failures (b) a pending major lawsuit (c) competitive issues, espescially related to other int'l codes (d) and recent technical innovations , such as the impact of finite elements on calcualtion methods and dafety factors.
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
You may want to take the AI course and the exam:
Course is by the State of Indiana Cheif Inspector, Dan Willis & Allen Clark.
The course have been offerd for 26 years.
http://ccs.goivytech.net/boiler_pressure
Welcome to the Ivy Tech State College Boiler Pressure Vessel Training course scheduled for February 16 - February 28, 2003. I am the course manager and am here to answer any questions that you might have. If you have not already, you may want to go to our website at http://ccs.goivytech.net/boiler_pressure for more details on the course and what books you will need to bring with you. There is also information regarding hotels. The instructors (Dan Willis and Allan Clark) will be staying at the Hampton Inn here in Terre Haute and we recommend that students stay there also, if possible. We have reserved a block of rooms, with a special room rate, for this course, should you decide to stay at the Hampton. Evening study sessions and access to instructors tends to be more convenient. Be sure to let your travel agency know to advise the Hampton Inn that you are in the Boiler Pressure class.
I will be sending you information on Terre Haute, In. Since Terre Haute does not have any direct commercial commuter flights, you will need to fly into Indianapolis and take a rental car to the hotel. Class will start on Sunday, February 16, at 1:00 at the Ivy Tech State College Airport Campus located at the Terre Haute International Airport, 501 S. Airport Street, Terre Haute, IN. Maps on our website will show hotel and campus locations.
Should any questions arise in the interim, please let me know.
Joseph P. Zinkovich, Manager
Ivy Tech State College
501 S. Airport Street
Terre Haute, IN 47803
812-298-2363
812-877-1184 - Fax
www.goivytech.net
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
As for the AI, most of their written information is considered proprietary and is usually not disseminated in a written form. At one time we had an engineer in central engineering to keep track of and disseminate information concerning any changes in the code or code cases and how they affected us.
Ishtill,
Again I think a little confusion concerning an AI. The AI normally works for the insuring agency and only employees of the agency can be an AI. We have numerous letters confirming this.
The inspector for the state can be an AI under contract as the state inspector or the state inspector is one who had met certain qualifications required by the job description.
I took two design courses on the ASME Code taught by the AI (insurance) and one on NBIC taught by another AI, different company.
Does Indiana allow anyone taking this course to be called an AI and if so in what respect. My point is that the insurance AI is an AI wherever his company has the insurance coverage. Myself and all others that took the courses are just someone who upon completion knew where to look, most of the time.
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RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
The point I'm getting to is in all my years in the business I have never seen an AI that signs off on any papers that didn't belong to an insurance company, mostly ours. This includes onsite and on outside jobs with existing equipment. It fact we have a local contractor that does repair work in their shop and there insurance AI signs off then ours. The onsite primary contractor did use our insurance AI even though his company is not there primary carrier. At one time they got around this by having the contractor take out some insurance with our AI’s company, i would guess just enough to cover the inspection services.
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RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
Welcome to the group! I'd encourage you (and others) to go the the "personal profile" button at the top of this page and tell us a little about your background. It'll give some perspective to your posts. You can click on the "jte" at the top of this post to see my profile.
Another source for keeping an eye on upcoming Code developments is to attend the annual ASME Pressure Vessels and Piping conferences. This year it will be near San Diego http://www.asmeconferences.org/pvp2004/. Not cheap enough to go at your own expense, but if your employer will cover the expense, I'd encourage you to attend. The conference provides an opportunity to meet some of the folks who are heavily involved with B&PV and piping code development and to hear presentations on ongoing work and anticipated changes to the codes.
jt
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http://hsbct.com
If you have problems logging on,contact your AI.
eng-tips is a very good site. Lots of sharp people post here. Just remember the posting are opinions and do your homework.
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
The reduction in the safety factor was based on the improvements in materials manufacturing processes; ie: vessel materials are today produced to a more reliable, uniform quality than many years ago; and also to meet the competitive pressure of some of the European vessel design codes which have materials safety factors of less than 4.0.
Refer to Section II Part D, Appendix 1, for the definitions of the material allowable stresses (meaning that the safety factor isn't always "3.5").
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
ASME has a conference at La Jolla, California on 3-4 Jun 04 on the subject of the rewrite of sect VIII div 2. The release of the rewrite has been delayed. Surpisingly, the conference program indicates the rewrite includes some type of equivalence to the Eurpean Union PED ( pressure equipment directive)! This is a major change.
see <www.asme.org/cns/ped/program.shtml>
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Steve Braune
Tank Industry Consultants
www.tankindustry.com
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
The course offered is called AI course for many reasons:
you will learn all the requirements to take the NB exam! and possible become an AI if you want to be one.
AI is the Code term as is AIA, so whoever thinks that AI is just the regular machinery inspector is wrong whether works for the same insurance co.(or an inspection agency subsidiary of an Ins. Co.),
States: only those States which have been authorized by the ASME can inspect ASME Code shops under contract,
an exeption is the Nat'l Bd, R stamp which requires also an AI. State or Insurance Co. or both.
ER
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
Great site, and super forum. Thanks All!
Rich
RE: New Engineer working with Code:::How to Understand Edition changes
Rich,I would like to help you-but as an ANI/HSB I do indeed have access-we also have strict instructions not to release the same(customers only). I could get you some paper,if you would provide a year and section.