wildfire 2.0
wildfire 2.0
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Hi,
Anyone have experience with wildfire 2.0? We are considering upgrade from 2001.
Thanks,
Bob
Anyone have experience with wildfire 2.0? We are considering upgrade from 2001.
Thanks,
Bob
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RE: wildfire 2.0
Having said that, WF 2.0, if you're able to manage the change, makes Pro/E better than ever.
RE: wildfire 2.0
We just got the Wildfire 2.0 CD's today; so I am not moving to it yet. I like some of the improvements in the demos.
RE: wildfire 2.0
The Datum Sketch feature..
There is a new command next to the sketched datum curve command which allows you to create a "sketch" feature. This feature is just like a sketched datum curve, however it can be used directly as a reference for an extrusion or revolve, for example. Those of you who use Wildfire know that there is no "link" between a sketched datum curve and a sketched feature (although you can make them associative via a config option i believe). In WF2 There *is* a link between this new sketch feature and any feature created from it..
The omnipresent "undo" command..
Yes, you can undo almost any action in WF2! So go ahead.. delete that feature.. its just a Ctrl-Z away!
Copying of features...
I was really impressed by this. You can now literally click a feature (say, a hole), press Edit--> Copy, pick a new place to put it (say, a new surface) and press Edit--> Paste special to place a new one. There is an easy to use dialog that lets you choose new references or maintain old ones. You can also apply transformations from the Paste-Special command as well.
Patterning..
Aside from the fill pattern (from Wilfdire), WF2 pretty lets you pattern any features in any direction. This means you don't need to create a "make datum" to pattern a rib around a boss, for example. You would simply pattern it around an axis.
Annotation Features...
WF2 lets you make 3-Dimensional Annotations which conform to the ASME Y14.41 standard for Digital Product Data. So a model can contain dimensions which remain on a specific plane and rotate with the model. This is a new standard and we are in the process of investigating it. I do, however, like the idea of it so far.
Sheetmetal...
WOW. You have to see this to believe it. If you are using Pro/Sheetmetal 2001, you will kiss your screen when you see WF2. The process of creating walls has become so simple, its literally a matter of clicking an edge to attach and choosing the flat wall command. The dynamic drag allows you to alter the angle, and the dashboard allows you to control the shape. We created a sheetmetal part in less than 1/4 of the time it used to take us using this new functional area.
Analyis tools
There has been a serious consolidation of the tools used to analyze models. I'm toying with that right now so I cant really list all the changes, but I can tell you that it is a major step from both 2001 and WF.
Parameters & relations
The improved relations editor in WF was improved upon in WF2. You now have buttons that let you enter in mathematical symbols (i know it doesn't sound like much, but it does make things easier), and you can specify UNITS to parameters. So now very simple relations can be used to perform unit conversions during regen.
So far, that's all the info I can come up with.. I'm sure there's more to be discovered, but I guess more people need to start moving towards this release before we start using it more.
-Mark
RE: wildfire 2.0
The sky is falling
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Now all I have to do is get WF2 on my laptop! And I can work at home, finally.
((((HAPPY DANCE))))
Looks like the rest are going to do the big leap from 2001 & 200oi2 right to WF2. No more heals dug in
RE: wildfire 2.0
An interface for adding drawing views has been added, which makes it much easier to place views and see ALL of the options available to the user...
Those of you using Wildfire 1 can see it by setting the following config.pro option to "yes":
new_drawing_view_ui
-mark
RE: wildfire 2.0
I have tried to set the new_drawing_view_ui in the config.pro, but it doesn't recognise this setting.
Jeff
RE: wildfire 2.0
I'm using Wildfire Datecode 2003170. Pro/E 2001 doesnt offer this setting. You can, however, set the new parameter and relations interfaces using new_relation_ui and new_parameter_ui .
Jeff- out of curiousity what is your datecode?
-Mark
RE: wildfire 2.0
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The datecode for Wildfire installed is 2003490.
It's such a pain that you cannot save to an earlier version, and I don't mean saving as a neutral file etc. That is soooo long winded. Tehe problems I have is that most of the companies we deal with use 2001 and aren't willing to change even to WF1. So now when PTC brings out WF2, there is no point in me upgrading and using it. So, I'm going to miss out on all the nice new features. My point is that, if there was a 'save as to an earlier version' I wouldn't have this problem.
Surely I'm not the only one with this kind of problem. I'd be interested to see who else feels the same!
Anyway rant over now, I'm getting back in my box
Jeff
Jeff
RE: wildfire 2.0
Nothing prior to Intralink 3.3 will work with Wildfire (1 or 2).
-Mark
RE: wildfire 2.0
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
CAD/CAM System Analyst
Ingersoll-Rand
RE: wildfire 2.0
I think I've gotten off subject here...but one last thing I would like appoint Mark as the official WildFire guru....for posting such a detailed response. It almost makes me want to upgrade my Pro/E 2001 to WF. I guess I hold off until PTC comes to its senses and releases Pro/E 2005.
RE: wildfire 2.0
I really like the Datum Sketch Feature. Used it four times today. Sweeeet!
Really seems much better than WF1. Cleaner pick paths.
And the copy/paste works.
RE: wildfire 2.0
Go to:
http://www.ptc.com/go/wildfire/
Look for the Interactive Tour on the lower left of the page. You need to give them your info, which means you will probably end up on a cold-call list. You need Flash player for it to work.
Threre is also a 150 KB PDF of the "top 10 enhancements"
http://www.ptc.com/products/datasheets/top10_enhancements.pdf
-Mark
RE: wildfire 2.0
Sorry Heckler, I don't mean to pick on you ... but
Your statement makes it sound like all the SW forum members subscribe to the "conspiracy theory". Of the over 7000 SW forum members, less than a couple of dozen have actively complained & only 3 or 4 seem to have renewed their subscriptions. The majority of 3D CAD users would love backward/forwards compatibility but realize the impracticality of that dream.
RE: wildfire 2.0
Someone has to leave themselves open for the "slam" for making blanket statements or rants......Maybe I should let everyone know I'm also a SolidWorks user
RE: wildfire 2.0
Most of our suppliers are on 2001, and may not upgrade as soon.
I would hate to manually "save as" files from WF to 2001 for a 1500 part+ assembly.
Steve
http://www.sprdesign.com
RE: wildfire 2.0
Where did PTC say that you can open a WF part in 2001?
This has been discussed in numorous places. They never directly said that. What they have done is enhanced the ATB, but you cannot open a WF part directly in 2001 nor can you do a save as in WF to 2001.
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
CAD/CAM System Analyst
Ingersoll-Rand
RE: wildfire 2.0
Thanks.
steve
http://www.sprdesign.com
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- Dudelman
RE: wildfire 2.0
I used it today to figure out how to create a flat surface. Went from 5 menu picks to just two!
Wildfire 2.0 : Edit > Fill
2001 : Feature > Create > Surface > New > Flat
Neat!
Best regards,
Matthew Ian Loew
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RE: wildfire 2.0
Well, they claimed it to be backwards compatible (for instance at the pro-engineer user day in the netherlands 2002). So far it's not. Same goes for "less mouse clicks": not true. For some features it is, but in many others not.
One thing that was claimed, and has become reality: the cost of Pro Engineer has gone up!
Patrick
RE: wildfire 2.0
http://www.ptc.com/company/mail/express200202/qanda.htm
This is from the web link:
Yes, the next release of Pro/ENGINEER will be the first Pro/ENGINEER release to support cross-release interoperability. This means you will be able to save files in a format that can be read into Pro/ENGINEER releases 2001, 2000i2 and even 2000i. You will not be able to modify designs that have been brought into these earlier releases from Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, but you will be able to use them to generate deliverables like drawings and toolpaths. These representations will also have an Associtive Topology Bus (ATB) link back to the original designs in Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, so that if you change your models in Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, models being used in the earlier versions will update as well.
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
CAD/CAM System Analyst
Ingersoll-Rand
RE: wildfire 2.0
Thanks for the link. Here is a link to a product page from PTC on Cross Release Interoperability and to another article from PTC Express Wildfire: Making Life Easier for Administrators.
Best regards,
Matthew Ian Loew
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RE: wildfire 2.0
WHen you do this, you will be able to open it up and see the features in the model tree, only catch is that you cannot modify them.
But you would be able to add more features.
I forget what the config option is that you need to set, maybe someone knows this??
Oh, and I hate to get off topic, but is there a way to make a Composite Datum Curve in WFv1?
I thought Comp Curves were great for doing surfacing in 2001 since you can set them to 'Approx' and when referencing them in blends, it would greatly reduce surface patches.
I just can't seem to find it in WF B-(
RE: wildfire 2.0
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
CAD/CAM System Analyst
Ingersoll-Rand
RE: wildfire 2.0
Yeah, you need to enable in the config:
topobus_enable yes
You need to save the file as a Neutral though (like you said looslib).
Here is the link where I got my info from:
http://www.proecentral.com/portal/forum/msgDetail.asp?msg_id=3139&for_id=34
RE: wildfire 2.0
Is this not what the Cross Release Interoperability accomplishes?
BTW, will you be attending the PTC/USER World Event?
Best regards,
Matthew Ian Loew
"I don't grow up. In me is the small child of my early days" -- M.C. Escher
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RE: wildfire 2.0
I posted a new post on making the composite datum curve in WF (1 and 2).
-Mark
RE: wildfire 2.0
I've tried scaling but it doesnt do anything to the original format, just the part.