Model space vs paper space
Model space vs paper space
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I never use paper space. I know I am not the only one but I was just wondering how small a minority are we model space users.
It seems easier to just load a block of my drawing format, ie title block, borders etc that is scaled up by a factor equal to the plot scale ratio. I also scale up my text at the same time. That way I can see exactly what my drawing layout is while I am working on it. Paper space just seems like a lot of unnecessary additional work.
What do you think?
DPA
It seems easier to just load a block of my drawing format, ie title block, borders etc that is scaled up by a factor equal to the plot scale ratio. I also scale up my text at the same time. That way I can see exactly what my drawing layout is while I am working on it. Paper space just seems like a lot of unnecessary additional work.
What do you think?
DPA





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I have just gotten into the habit of putting the model in model space and everything else in paper space. My template drawings have title blocks already there so all I have to do is draw in model space and open one or more viewports in paper space. No extra time, really and lots of flexibility for elarged detail views painlessly.
For 3D drawings, paper space is mandatory in my opinion.
I like paper space for another reason, also: We plot to three devices (11x17 laser, Adobe pdf and roll feed ink jet). It is really nice to have three layouts in our default template drawing, with title blocks in each. I make the model (2D or 3D) in paper space and viewports in all paper space layouts. When it is time to plot I can use "Publish" and send many drawings to which ever plotter I want. This saves oodles of time when I have to make sets of dozens of drawings for approval (pdf) or shop (11x17). One command and it is done! Even saved for next time.
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I didn't think I would ever use paper space but once I did i wouldn't plot any other way.
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It's also nice when you want to do a scaled-up detail view - you just dimension it like everything else; you don't need to alter the linear scale.
Lastly, it's nice to be able to have certain entities show up in certain view ports but not others.
I find paper space to be much more efficient than using model space for plotting.
I was a hold-out but once I learned how to use it, I've never looked back.
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Well put! I adopted P-Space back at r-11/DOS and have had nothing but success with it. I was able to create powerful operating environments in P-S that even migrated well as I moved into ACAD-3D. I've found the biggest speed-bump to P-S is the users who are doing a top job without it, and their understandable reluctance to migrate processes and legacy drawings forward. Oh well, mastering both approaches keeps us on our toes!
Good luck-
cfee
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Also, I too was a hold out until I finally learned what PS was all about and have never wanted to go back. The greatest thing is that I have only one dimension style and once you set your dimensions to scale to the viewport you don't have to remember any more scale factors or scaling up or down or which text size to use in which scale or all of that nonsense. The other key is understanding viewports. Also all of my models, whether 2d or 3d, are drawn at full scale in model space only. That's the way AutoCAD was intended to be. That's why its called MODEL space- it's where the model is drawn. Paper space is there to simply layout the drawing with a title block, dimensions, text and viewports.
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It is just easier to modify your drawings that way. IT may take a little bit of time to grasp all the concepts of it but once you understand it, it's pretty beneficial. It's alot easier just to create viewports to display your objects in model space instead of making blocks everytime. Plus its really good for when you want to display a drawing or section of a drawing at different scales. Why hold back and limit yourself to just modelspace??
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Flores
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I used to be a hardcore model space drawer. (I'm in subdivisions and commercial site plans) We had a layer lisp routine set up for all the layouts. So, there were many "sheets" on one model. This was great for its time, but when 2002 came along, the layout tabs and locking viewports, etc. made the auto-layer thing obsolete. I know many others who would shy away from paper space until 2002 came out.
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Any thoughts?
jrichm1
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The trick to having different scales is to set your dimscale to 0 (or in the dim style, check the box that says scale to layout under the "fit" tab)
Then, do all of your dimensions in "floating" model space. (you are on one of your layout tabs, but working in the viewport. make sure it is locked)
If you are set up this way, the dimensions and qleaders will come in based on what the scale of the viewport is that you are working in. It is very useful once you get it figured out.
Chris
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Scale factors are important in determing right height because this value is multiplied by the desired plotted text height to get the proper height. For example, if you want 1/8" high text to appear correctly on a drawing with a 1"=60' scale, calculate the Autocad height as follows:
1"=60'
1"=(60' X 12"/1')
720/1=720 The scale factor is 720
text height X scale factor = scaled text height
.125" X 720 = 90" The proper text height is 90"
Hope this helps - John
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The problem we are having is we received drawings from another company who drew everything including text and dimensions in model space
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Let me know.
Chris
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Think about this situation. In MS, you place text of .125" at 1:1. Change to Ps, the default viewport is 1:1; thereby, the text in the viewport will be .125". The problem comes in when you use ZOOM command or simular command to change the aspect ratio to 1:2, 1:4, ect. This will change your text height. You have to think what you are going to do about text height in MS and what zoom factor you want to use in your viewport. In most drawing, I use only one zoom factor unless you bring in different drawings at different zoom factors; thereby, creating different text heights so they can be the same height in different viewports when plotting. Hope this helps - John
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I do alot of site design/land development type work and we use AutoCAD 2004 in our office. Probably the biggest advantage I have found with using paperspace is the ability to have everything in model space and then my seperate sheets on individual tabs (i.e. Layout plan, Grading plan, Utility plan, etc.). This is easily accomplished by freezing unnecessary layers in each specific veiwport. For example, I'll freeze the contours on my layout tab but they will still be visable in the grading tab and in the model space tab.
I've also found it useful to place my sheet specific text in the appropriate layout tab so that I only have to have one text layer as opposed to a seperate text layer for each layout. This also takes the guess work out of text height. Our standard text height here is 0.09, and in paperspace is always 0.09 whereas at a 50 scale in model space the tex has to be 4.5 and at a 40 scale 3.6 etc.
Finally, using the layout tabs in conjunction with the page setup feature reduces plotting a drawing to merely opening it, typing plot, hitting OK, and picking it up off the printer. We have several engineers in our office that are not very CAD savvy and this is an especially nice feature.
Ron
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Scott
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