Ionizing air
Ionizing air
(OP)
Can anyone advise on methods, techniques or tricks in "how to ionise air"? Books, articles or direct advice would be appreciated. I have posted this thread here as you guys seem to have a handle on gases and ionization.
Thanks
Seek
Thanks
Seek





RE: Ionizing air
RE: Ionizing air
I am more interested in using the high voltage technique. What kind of ionisation rates can be achieved with the applied voltages. Do these ionised states last. I would imagine that the airs' contact with the surrounding vessel causes the ions to discharge.
RE: Ionizing air
The only limit on ionization rate is the size of your power supply and the heat, ozone, and nitrogen oxides that are generated. Ozone and nitrogen oxides are very toxic and irritating.
RE: Ionizing air
Y'aint gonna replace wings an' rockets with it though - it's a very inefficient method of thrust. As I understand it USAF is currently researching using the method to ionise wing leading edge airstreams. The idea is to guide the air ahead of supersonic shock waves around the wing - objective being to eliminate sonic boom for stealth. Kinda pointless when the thang glows in the dark...
"If it's gravity your trying to overcome, it's gravity you have to understand"
Mart
RE: Ionizing air
RE: Ionizing air
I take it that the the leading edge of the wing/nose is charged to the same polarity as the ionised air. Most research is, i assume, directed to charge distribution to get the correct airflow. Must guzzle power, but less than AB - Clever system. I hadn't realised 16X was possible! This'll just about allow a craft to go ballistic - purpose of the X original craft. Doesn't this kind of negate the record held by the X-15?
Mart
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The first link is to some papers on the possibility of MHD on Super/Hypersonic propulsion systems. The other two are rather interesting at times and hoping to get something on this.
Anecdotal:
The system shown on TV caught my eye as about 25 years ago I had some information on a system that could be purchased called “E-Beam”, not the welding variety, that was an extremely high voltage system that we looked at because it could cool a hot surface, weird. I turned the information over to our research group and forgot about it. About 18 months later I was asked to work on a project that would involve the system. At that time the company disappeared completely.
http://content.aip.org/TEPHEX/v43/i11/1309_1.html
http://accelerationresearch.tripod.com
http://accelerationresearch.tripod.com
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I am (slowly due to lack of funds) working on my own solution to the problem. My motive is more for facilitaion of mass transport, but the conspiracy stuff is great fun! Do you think we are likely to see a practical successor to the jet in the near future then?
Sorry if this is wondering off your thread, seek. I'm kinda guessin' this is the sort of application you had in mind...
Mart
RE: Ionizing air
Was looking for something else and remembered this application.
https://secure.vortec.com/store_products.php?catID=66