What are my options?
What are my options?
(OP)
I am a structural consultant to a very large homebuilder that has in-house drafting. I found out that they put a pedestrian bridge in one of their subdivisions out to bid with my firm's name in the title block. I had no knowledge of the project. I don't know how they planned on getting it through permit. Maybe they have their ways. I feel this is a serious breach of ethics. To make matters worse I have had to field several calls from bidding contractors who don't understand the drawings. Should I contact an attorney? I feel, at the very least, I am going to contact my State Board and Building Department. Unfortunately, this is probably the end of our working relationship. But maybe it's best not to work with such disreputable people anyway.





RE: What are my options?
RE: What are my options?
If the pedestrian bridge was one that you designed, earlier and if it still is code complying, then let them know that you expect some compensation for re-use as well as your additional exposure.
If it's a totally new bridge, then you must review the design... and for a different fee.
RE: What are my options?
What you might do:
- Consult your solicitor for advice as to what action you should take when you contact your client.
- Advise your client (in writing) that their documents misrepresent your firm as the author of the subject bridge design.
- If the circumstances warrant it, (ie. not just a typographic error on your client's part, etc.) you should consult your licensing board and even the building permit authority to take action.
Doing nothing would be unethical.Regards,
RE: What are my options?
RE: What are my options?
I'm curious--are a PE? I think PM is making his statement as a registered PE (which I would presume ajnoble or somebody in his firm also is). I suspect that your advice, though arguably appropriate for an industry-exempt engineer, is entirely inappropriate for a PE in such a field.
(I'm not intending to insult, only intending to clarify where I believe PM is coming from).
Brad
RE: What are my options?
Regards,
RE: What are my options?
There was a case here in Manitoba about 10 years ago where a company issued a set of drawings for a restaurant mechanical system. The client copied the design, made modifications and issued the drawings complete with the original engineer’s seal on them. The original engineer only found out about it when the contractors started phoning with questions and requests for equals.
Unfortunately the Association and the Crown Prosecutors could not agree if this was a violation of the engineering act or a simple fraud. (In Canada since we are a self-regulating profession, the association is responsible for prosecuting violations of the engineering act while the Crown is responsible for normal criminal matters,) The dispute dragged on for so long that when the Crown realized that it was not a violation of the engineering act but a fraud against an engineer that the case was never dealt with in the courts. (You can contact the Manitoba association through their web site www.apegm.mb,ca for more details.)
In any case if they represented that your firm was involved in the design. This is a fraud against you and your good name as well as one against the engineering profession in general.
I think that you are ethically obligated to report this crime both to your local association and to the police. It appears that they are practicing engineering without a license and that obligates you to report the act to the association and they are breaking the law on fraud and that obligates you to report the crime to the police.
You may have some negative repercussions about this. You most likely would never work for this company again, but you really don’t want to. If they are this disreputable then I would not worry about their friends and associates blacklisting. They most likely have done other things to others and there might be some relief in the construction community that these people have been brought to task.
Remember that your code of ethics is meant to protect the public. If following this code of ethics harms you that’s why you get the big bucks, fancy title and the privilege of practicing engineering for.
Rick Kitson MBA P.Eng
Construction Project Management
From conception to completion
www.kitsonengineering.com
RE: What are my options?
RE: What are my options?
Hopefully, they did not forge your approval on these drawings.