Fatigue Analysis of Piping System
Fatigue Analysis of Piping System
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To all experts out there,
I have modeled and run a jacketed tubing system running on 20 - 110 deg F. The temperature difference of 90 deg. F can result a thermal cyclic change everyday. I am asked to perform a fatigue analysis after I run the model whith fairly good stresses anywhere, no overstressing. My first question is, does an element going to experience fatigue failure due to cyclic temperature change even if such element is within allowable stress from B31.3? Secondly, I am using Caesar 4.2 and seems like it does not have the capacity to peform fatigue analysis, and so is there any method of peforming this type of analysis say by manual calculations? I would appeciate it if you guys out there could give tips and resources on performing this calcs. Thanks and more power to this forum.
Gimini21
I have modeled and run a jacketed tubing system running on 20 - 110 deg F. The temperature difference of 90 deg. F can result a thermal cyclic change everyday. I am asked to perform a fatigue analysis after I run the model whith fairly good stresses anywhere, no overstressing. My first question is, does an element going to experience fatigue failure due to cyclic temperature change even if such element is within allowable stress from B31.3? Secondly, I am using Caesar 4.2 and seems like it does not have the capacity to peform fatigue analysis, and so is there any method of peforming this type of analysis say by manual calculations? I would appeciate it if you guys out there could give tips and resources on performing this calcs. Thanks and more power to this forum.
Gimini21





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1)Fatigue failure is caused by peak stresses, and these in turn are determined by the details of your design, e.g. how the jacket is connected to the pipe (fillet welds, full penetration welds, forged Y pieces?). The evaluation of peak stresses involves the use of the stress concentration factors or of detailed FEM models. Some details (e.g. fillet welds) should be even totally avoided in a high fatigue environment. It would be surprising that peak stresses stay below the allowable stress.
2)You need to define a load cycle to evaluate fatigue, and the governing quantity will be the stress change (or range) during the cycle. If the thermal expansion is the only changing load, then your cycle is from cold to hot temperature and the stress range is the stress intensity variation from cold to hot.
A method for evaluating fatigue is given ib App.5 of ASME VIII Div.2. The allowable alternating stress (this is half the stress range as above) at 10000 cycles is of the order of 20 ksi, so you shouldn't be in a bad condition (but of course you must include peak stresses in your calculation).
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Gimini21
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I use CAESAR II to set up the modle and check the Fatigue Analysis of Piping System using FE-PIPE.
A.W. Paulin Jr., P.E.the original author of the CAESAR II pipe stress program, and coauthor of the FE/Pipe finite element program and the BOS Fluids, transient fluid simulator.
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Please let me know something about FE-PIPE. Is this software affordable to own personally? I mean Caesar is expensive on license and then you owe $12 per analysis. Thanks for the good info here. Regards.
Gimini21
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Thnaks for all these informations. Great news for everybody I believe who hope to learn more on this fiel like me. More power to you.
Gimini21
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Some minor improvements such as full penetration welds in lieu of partial pen welds can greatly extend fatigue life.
Also, for a 20 yr life, corrosion fatigue interaction may be the governing failure mechanism , in particular if the welds contain pre-existing cracks that harbor corrosive elements ( partial pen welds, for example).
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Another consideration is that in jacketed piping systems, the piping is self constrained. That is, the inner and outer pipe restrain each other via axial forces. These axial forces are not included in the Code stress calculation. Look at the operating case in CAESAR II to get an idea as to the magnitude of these stresses. CAESAR II includes them in the operating stress calc. There is a sentence in B31.3 that warns about this effect. If these axial forces are signficant (and they will be in a jacketed system with the pipe and jacket at different temperatures) they need to be included in the evaluation.
Another effect is elastic followup. The thermal expansion stresses on the component joining the inner and outer pipe must be designed to be less than yield stress, or else it will be subject to strain concentration. Once it starts to yield, the pipe will act as a spring and keep pushing it. In this circumstance, the strain range in that component will be higher than you have calculated on an elastic basis.
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My sincerest thanks and appreciation to your suggestions though this thread has been posted for a while. The idea of going into a FEA on the specified elbow that the client is very concerned about was also suggested by somebody to me working on FEA (aerospace field). The fluid here is highly hazardous and also the project used tubing which is basically thin though SS and double contained. Yet corrosion as Davefitz mentioned became another key design criteria that was strongly suggested to me too. Cb4 ppoint of axial stress for the inner pipe is another interesting thing I learned. I have actually sent the model to COADE and have it checked specially how the inner elbow is restrained to the outer elbow. And so to proceed into FEA, streses from CAESAR must be well within the real world. My model is okey and right now, I am close to using ANSYS 6.1/Ed to do a specif FEA on a particular elbow. (I've been studying this FEA using ANSYS for the last few months at home - not so good in DE on my school days so it take a bit time to grasp even the basic). You both are smart and well-experienced. Regards and more power to you. Thanks for the time.
Gimini21
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