Piping Design Software Selection
Piping Design Software Selection
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Good day all,
I am trying to make a selection for piping design software for my office. Any suggestions/reviews would be appriciated.
I am trying to make a selection for piping design software for my office. Any suggestions/reviews would be appriciated.





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Regards
Menashe
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Actions speak louder than words
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I suggest you contact Carrier E20-II Refrigerant Piping Analysis Program if your subject is refrigeration piping.
Regards.
Cherian
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I work in an oil refinery so I design to 31.3
I have been condisering COADE CADWorx as opposed to Autoplant (Rebis) because of it's compatability with Cesar II. Any pros and cons of this software will be appriciated
Regards,
Jags
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Good luck
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I have used Cad worx for two yrs. I think it is good enough. besides, it is cheapest software for piping and compatible with piping analyis software (caser II, same company products). I already suggest my new employor purching this one for us.
Good luk
clindu
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Our company has been using PDS for several years and PDMS for the last 3 years. BOTH produce good results. Both have good features and both have their drawbacks. In the end,...if you ask the users who have used both, PDMS comes out on top. Project results and maintenace seem to be better with PDMS. Training is easier with PDMS.
However, BOTH are quite expensive. We use it on major pulp and paper projects around the world. Even with the substantial intitial investments, the results are worth it.
These are just a few observations from our designers.
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Other softwares are PDS, PDMS, CADWorkx, AutoPLANT. Who says that AutoPLANT is phased. It is now being taken care of by Bentley. All Rebis products are in their kitty.
Narendra K. Roy
Gramya Research Analysis Institute,
PO box 4016, Vadodara 390015, India
Website: www.gramya.com ; www.charismaglobal.com
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I would agree that PDS & PDMS are good but they are overpriced. I would put the results from Plant 4D P&ID and PIPE up against them anytime. A fraction of the cost, more user friendly and easier to customise. Try all the options before you buy is the only sensible solution.
Gramya,
In the UK autodesk dealers are saying Autoplant is dying, Autoplant users are saying it and they are losing users hand over fist. The only people who say Rebis products are still worth buying are REBIS dealers and from your website it would seem that you deal in REBIS products.
Thanks
PW
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It's a great software for P&ID's & Piping.
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I recommend it to any piping designer, it incorporates it's own Isometric program at no additional cost, even though for another sum, you can buy the more professional ISOGEN Isometric program which allows start to finish print outs of the 11X17 sheets automatically.
The data base is well endowed including Copper fittings for washroom layouts and Isometrics.
Go to www.coade.com for a demo copy.
I would like to hear back from any CADWorx users anywhere!
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Concerning your compressed air application:
I agree with all your calculations. I suppose your real question was whether you should use a 4" pipe or a 2" one. That can only be answered knowing what the duty is.
The major difference between using the two different sizes would be the pressure drop. If you could get a 1.9" pipe, the pressure drop would be about 125 PSI/100ft. A standard 2" NB pipe would of course give a pressure drop quite a bit less than this.
By the way, these calculations are all based on the "new" condition pipe roughness. If you are designing for a life span of 5 to 10 years you can expect the roughness to double or treble over that period.
The 4" pipe would be the usual "economic" diameter to use. There wouldn't be much point in compressing the air to the high pressures you mention, only to lose it in the piping. But if it was to be vented anyway then losing the pressure in the piping is no problem.
An air velocity of Mach 0.3 is a good guideline for vents. In a compressed air distribution system your velocity of 100 ft/s would be more realistic. When considering these velocities you need to know the condition of the air. If it is wet or dirty you will get erosion with high velocities.
regards
Harvey (Katmar)
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Comparaison with AutoPIPE
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Leonard@thill.biz
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Have you tried 3Dpipemate, an Autocad-application?
www.3Designersmate.com
Paul
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............... CADWorx/PIPE ...................
Your contact will be Tel. 1-800-899-8787 ask for pat J.
Just mention my name Tony Bagshaw he will look after you.
So carry on piping, the easy learning way.
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Now the idea of getting training of both the software and then making decision seems rather awkward. The other way is to buy the software blindly and be stuck with it for ever, good or bad. I have seen PDMS and it seems not so user friendly like most of the software which migrated to Windows environment rather late (no Undo most of the part and etc…). SmartPlant superlative description at Intergraph site seems very enticing and it seems to be user friendly and powerful. But I have not seen any one working on it so cannot be sure what it is like in reality.
Any feed back from the users of the two would be highly helpful.
Thanks.
Zen
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Not sure if you have seen the latest version of PDMS: VPD PDMS 11.6? It will answer your questions: windows style, undo/redo, etc. etc....
Have fun.
Chris.
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If your good at getting around in 3D autoCAD and are a pretty good piping designer, than Cadworx is the way to go. Good program with great support. Easy to maintain specs and things like that. If your doing plant design with multiple piping specs it is very useful. Also get the Isogen package it works great to. Produces some good looking ISO's if you ask me.
Incase any Coade people are reading this.
I do have several complaints (some people would call it a wish list) about Cadworx. I have more than this but they are all minor.
Their equipment modeler is horrible. I just use their piping components to build up my equipment and standard Acad commands and it works pretty well.
If they added one component to their spec builder system, you could build any piping spec in 30 minutes instead of the 4 hours it was taking me. I suggested it to them 2 years ago haven't seen it added yet.
They now have a steel package which is pretty good.
Overall I give the package an A-
I miss it (changed jobs 6 months ago), in a different industry now and we are using Solidworks.
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