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unheated vestibules

unheated vestibules

unheated vestibules

(OP)
what do you guys do for unheated vestibules? they never wrote anything in the code about it

I put a note on a recent drawing that says 'unheated vestibule, open to above, no storage', fingers crossed.

RE: unheated vestibules

It is written in the standard. NFPA 13 starts with the premise of ALL areas are to be protected. Then, there are exceptions given where sprinklers can be removed. If your area in question does not meet one of the allowed areas to omit sprinklers, then you must provide it.

For areas like you state, we often put a dry sidewall or something along those lines. You can't just not protect an area because you don't know how, or because it is difficult.

To paraphrase Johnny Cochran: "If the standard don't omit, you must protect it."

Travis Mack
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RE: unheated vestibules

I agree with Travis, depending on the size, I would typically use a dry sidewall in this application.

RE: unheated vestibules

(OP)
hey thanks, it makes sense to sprinkler everything... that's a finer point that is easy to forget

this is how I solved it: (it was a weird vestibule too)

RE: unheated vestibules

Dry pendent or dry sidewall typically.

Love the dry upright above!

RE: unheated vestibules

Wasteo:

That diagram of the dry pipe head for the vestibule appears to violate the 2013 NFPA 13, 8.11.4.1.1. The head does not appear to be within code limit from the high point. What this actually approved by the AHJ?

RE: unheated vestibules

Ummm,

8.11 is for CMSA sprinklers..
Did I miss something?
R/
Matt

RE: unheated vestibules

The first rule of reading/understanding NFPA - LOCATION HAS MEANING.

You don't want to look at ESFR obstruction criteria for standard spray sprinklers.

We once had an AHJ that try to mandate all dry systems had to be galvanized. I asked where that came from. He pointed to the section on CMSA sprinklers. Again, location has meaning.

Travis Mack
MFP Design, LLC
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