Mesh refinement Question
Mesh refinement Question
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Hello guys!!
Just joined the family, and i would like to ask a question. Im doing a small project, and i am writing a fea program to make a mesh on a plane plate.
i have a problem with the stress concentration factor. Im calculation this factor from the geometry (peterson, or http://www.amesweb.info/StressConcentrationFactor/... ) and as a result i get 2.24. then when im trying to refine the mesh , i use Kt=Smax/Snom, and im calculating higher factors than the theoritical (2.8 etc). Is it possible to find higher factor than the theoritical. the Fem method is supposed to simulate some close to reality results,and my guess is that the theoritical factor , is just a aproximation.
Here is a picture of the one quarter of my plate.
Thanks in advance
Just joined the family, and i would like to ask a question. Im doing a small project, and i am writing a fea program to make a mesh on a plane plate.
i have a problem with the stress concentration factor. Im calculation this factor from the geometry (peterson, or http://www.amesweb.info/StressConcentrationFactor/... ) and as a result i get 2.24. then when im trying to refine the mesh , i use Kt=Smax/Snom, and im calculating higher factors than the theoritical (2.8 etc). Is it possible to find higher factor than the theoritical. the Fem method is supposed to simulate some close to reality results,and my guess is that the theoritical factor , is just a aproximation.
Here is a picture of the one quarter of my plate.
Thanks in advance





RE: Mesh refinement Question
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Greg Locock
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RE: Mesh refinement Question
Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: Mesh refinement Question
For some problems, it may be difficult to accurately match the stress concentration factor. Peterson gets data from a variety of publications (numerical methods, FEM, lab experiments). An example is a pin loaded hole. The Kt is a function of clearance, assumed load distribution, relative stiffness of the pin compared to the plate, load magnitude, etc. In order to match the Kt from Peterson, you would need to use a similar set of assumptions.
Brian
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Kind regards,
Jason
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(Attached picture: load on plate)
thanks in advance
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2. I believe the closed from solution to the finite width correction factor is an approximation. But it is relatively accurate one, at least for practical W:D ratios (width to diameter). If you are using a very small W/D ratio (maybe 1.5-2.0 or less) the solution may start to diverge. In that case, you may want to try a W/D of at least 3.0 or 4.0 to make sure you have agreement first. Don't forget the finite width correction factor has been used for many decades. If there was a significant accuracy issue, it would have been modified as new methods/computational power became available. I just had a look at an old paper I did where I used "boundary collocation" and it is very accurate compared to FEM models for finite width plates (and the classical equation). Usually less than 0.1% difference. I think you need concentrate on what you may be doing incorrectly.
In general, I don't think you have a very good mesh. What I have done in the past is make a "ring" around the hole (outer diameter about 110% of hole size). Within this ring, the mesh density/quality is very good (nearly ideal). Outside of the ring, the mesh quality is not as good, but that is OK. You want to force the distortion of the elements to occur away from the area of interest. If I was interested in the highest accuracy, I would create 2 or 3 rings of increasing size to allow the mesh to slowly distort.
Brian
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Greg Locock
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Greg im using the correct boundary conditions.
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why such an odd mesh around a hole ? What features are driving this ??
just because you think you've got the correct boundary conditions doesn't necessarily make it so. If you showed us then we'd be able to agree that they are correct (or not).
what loads ?
a bad mesh makes for bad results (not higher or lower, just bad).
What code ? NASTRAN, ANSYS, ...
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