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Hello all, Most of the drawings, a
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Hello all,
Most of the drawings, architectural or engineering, have their notes, either leaders, explanatory or specs, in all caps.
I am trying to find a reason why this is practiced like this?
What I do in my drawings is just to follow standard grammar rules, not all caps of course, only if it is an acronym, but start the sentence with Capital, then small ones and so on. Nobody has ever told me otherwise.
Maybe I do need to go and do it in all caps to be at the same tune with anyone else?
Thoughts?
Regards
Mixtli
Most of the drawings, architectural or engineering, have their notes, either leaders, explanatory or specs, in all caps.
I am trying to find a reason why this is practiced like this?
What I do in my drawings is just to follow standard grammar rules, not all caps of course, only if it is an acronym, but start the sentence with Capital, then small ones and so on. Nobody has ever told me otherwise.
Maybe I do need to go and do it in all caps to be at the same tune with anyone else?
Thoughts?
Regards
Mixtli





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Lower case may be used to correctly represent things like equipment markings or standard designations like "mm"
If your customer requires compliance to ASME Y14.100, then ASME Y14.2M is automatically included.
The rest is up to you. Compliance to the standards is otherwise voluntary.
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"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
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1/8" high hand lettering was definitely a skilled art, as was the use of an erasing shield.
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"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
-Dalai Lama XIV
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Is it not easier to read if it is written following standard grammar rules? I think the standard grammar rules take precedent, no?
and about ambiguity, is "HSS" a word? or an acronym? how about someone typed the "S" instead of the "A", since they are closer together, and wanted to say "HAS" as in have in second person. As I see it, ambiguity could work in both directions, no?
I learnt to draft on the board, with a Leroy set, and making all the line width equal was essential for the presentation if one was lazy giving the right space for the g's and the y's and the j's, so to avoid different line width, we just went all caps.
Aside from this, anybody have another justification for the all caps?
Cheers!!
M.
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"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
-Dalai Lama XIV
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IRONICALLY, TEXT IN ALL-CAPS IS NOT EASIER TO READ THAN MIXED CASE TEXT – AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO PASSAGES OF TEXT. MIXED-CASE TEXT EXISTS FOR A REASON – AND LEGIBILITY AND EASE / SPEED OF COMPREHENSION IS A BIG PART OF IT. WHEN DID YOU LAST READ A NOVEL WHICH WAS PRINTED IN ALL UPPER-CASE TEXT?
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At this point the use of computers has made these all of little consequence and it is not clear, besides tradition, why it persists. I suppose it's why paper sizes for formats still persist. There's no pressing reason to change what has worked for the last 100 years.
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If you are offended by the things I say, imagine the stuff I hold back.
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I've done a lot of patent searches lately and when the old hand-drafted drawings were done properly, they were a thing of beauty, but so many of them are just plain lousy. Pretty. But leaders not going to the right place, labels incorrect, and notes illegible. I start seeing that kind of nonsense around WWI and continuing until the 1990's when drawings start being done in CAD and the general quality is significantly better. The drawings generally are not something you would put on the wall, but the information is correct. CAD is our present (and likely our future). All CAPS is a holdover from a different era and needs to go away.
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I remember using 1.5 line width to be able to draft the "j" with my Leroy set, after some experience acquired, I would be able to accommodate for the "j" type letters by eye, just extending the spacing between letters accordingly.
Anyways, these days everybody uses computers I hope. I drafted my last by hand in 1993, I think, when I had Acad 10 and a pen plotter.
So why don't we switch for a better looking drawing. Also, I use bluebeam for iPAd and can do mixed letter no problem.
The reason, as I read here, for writing in all caps is no more, so.............
Cheers
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Actually, doesn't ASME have a form to submit requested changes to the committee? If we each submit a similar request, maybe it'll get revised in the next release. (I'm not well versed in other standards organizations' equivalent specifications, but those should be revised also.)
--Scott
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B.E.
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Oh, and I almost forgot, up on a shelf in the garage I have an old Bruning Drafting machine (the image below is identical to mine), complete with scales, which I bought back in the mid-70's for $10 when our office replaced the old parallel 'pulley & band' drafting machines with the newer horizontal/vertical track-type machines (a couple years later we started to buy CAD/CAM systems). They also got us new drafting stools and I bought my old one for $5 and still use it at my workbench in the garage.
I also have a drafting table in the garage, but it's currently being used as a radio stand for another antique, a Hammarlund HQ-180AC general coverage radio receiver, vintage 1965, as seen below:
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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Here is me on my drafting board at home. This is my first attempt at drafting for over twenty years. The whole exercise takes half and hour. Feel free to scroll ahead.
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I have done that in the past, and I considered doing it this time. Note how I deliberately used a lead holder, and not a 0.5mm pencil, especially for the line work. I was trying to use old tools.
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JHG
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I noticed you using a lead holder, but you were cheating , you were using a rotary pencil sharpener. the purist would have used a file and an emory board to fashion a proper chisel shape for the lead, so that the line width did not vary as the lead wore.
Of course when the Pentel pencil came out with different lead diameters, you did not have to worry about that anymore.
B.E.
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