Oops, pushed the wrong button
Oops, pushed the wrong button
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No injuries know during the panic, but it could have been much worse:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/us/hawaii-missi...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/us/hawaii-missi...
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Mike Halloran
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It is interesting - at the quarry I NEVER get cell/mobile reception and my phone stated "No Service" on Saturday, however I did receive the alert, and eventually the cancellation of the alert too. Can anyone explain why that is/was?
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Keith Cress
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Makes sense. Thanks, itsmoked.
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It WAS a single Hawaiian (deliberately left unnamed and hidden!) bureaucrat deliberately pushing the "override" ("Are you sure you want to send this message?) second-check control on the program controller. After 40 years of "no public drills" policy at all! (In fact, at least one group (a NW city) deliberately wrote a law saying they would NOT comply with any public nuclear drill at all. ) Is it NOT rather to the credit of the trump administration that the drill was being run at all? That the drill was run when the stock markets were closed, and that the drill DID make the previous three administration actually responsible for those nuclear warheads being built, being armed, and being installed on workable missiles with workable staging technology and working re-entry thermal shields becoming a credible threat to the US soil?
Now, how is it possible to blame the blame the President for a Washington-level decision to run a drill for the actual deliberate and specific error of a civil defense bureaucrat in a different state? Ultimate accountability? Certainly. But specific accountability?
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It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong, than to be always right by having no ideas at all.
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A false alarm warning Hawaiians of an incoming ballistic missile on Saturday, was reportedly issued because of a “terribly designed” user interface.
The computer system that allows the Hawaiian Emergency Management Agency (HEMA) to send emergency alerts asks employees to select the type of alert that they are sending from a drop-down menu.
Among the options available are two for missile alerts, according to the Washington Post. One is labelled “test missile alert”, which will test the notification system is working without actually sending an alert to the public.
The other is labelled “missile alert”. Selecting that option will send an alert to every mobile phone in Hawaii, warning recipients to “seek immediate shelter” – and specifically noting that “this is not a drill”. That was the option the HEMA employee mistakenly selected.
It was, in fact, a drill. The one-word difference between the two menu options was easily overlooked, and there is only one other difference in the system between the test alert and the real thing: a confirmation prompt, which the employee also clicked through.
“This sounds like terrible user interface design to me,” said computer security expert Graham Cluley. “Why have the genuine ‘Jeez Louise! Freak out everybody!’ option slap-bang next to one the harmless ‘Test the brown alert’ option?
“Even though the menu option still required confirmation that the user really wanted to send an alert, that wasn’t enough, on this occasion, to prevent the worker from robotically clicking onwards.”
In the days since the alert, HEMA has made a number of tweaks to the computer system to prevent a repeat of the error. It has added a “cancellation button”, allowing users to send a second alert over the same system that notifies recipients that the first was a false alarm. On Saturday, sending that second “false alarm” alert required extraordinary permission, delaying it for 38 minutes.
HEMA has also added a requirement for a second person to confirm the message to be sent, hopefully preventing the first from simply clicking through mistakenly.
“It was too easy — for anyone — to make such a big mistake,” HEMA spokesman Richard Rapoza told the Post.
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This incident is a good example of the need to eliminate nuclear weapons because of the risk of a accidental use.
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The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
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Trump takes credit for good things that he had nothing to do with, so why not the bad things as well?
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I was surprised that you found all those things "good" and "positive".
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8:10 AM. The US Pacific command reports to the governors office and Hawaii Emergency Management Authority that there was no attack in progress. HI police notified that the previous alarm was false.
8:30 AM. The (democrat) Governor of HI put a notice out on HIS Facebook page that this was a false alarm.
(Does he think this is an adequate response?)
8:45 AM. HI EMA announced that this was a false alarm, releases automatic message notice to Emergency Action network.
(NO automatic updates nor corrections notice was sent to all stations nor to any cell phone networks was reported coming from HI EMA between 8:10 and 8:45! But notice that the original "false alarm" notification was sent specifically DURING a test of the system, and thus IMMEDIATELY known that it was a false alarm! Even if the button-pusher civil employee bueaucrat failed to notice he pushed the wrong button, he KNEW there was no actual attack, his boss KNEW there was no actual attack in progress, his supervisor AND the HI EMA KNEW there was no actual attack going on! )
(By the way, is it not odd that the original "20 minute nuclear attack alert" was exceeded by more than twice the flight time before anyone "noticed" that there were no nuclear bombs going off, and that the first alert was demonstrably false? Your government at work!)
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Trump took credit, ipso, he thought they were good. The economy grew; that was a good thing. Most everything else was a disaster, so all the more reason...
"8:07 AM. False alarm generated by HI Emergency Management Authority. That false alarm is automatically broadcast on all HI TV, radio, and to all HI cell phones."
Apparently, no one in HI Emergency Management Authority was subscribed to the emergency broadcast???
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"A senior U.S. official told The Post that Trump was at his Florida golf course at Mar-a-Lago when the scare happened and knew “soon after” that the alerts had been determined false."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp...
"EMA Administrator Mr. Vern Miyagi said that there was no template in the system for an alert retraction, and so the all-clear message had to be manually entered and activated, accounting for some of the delay."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5269419/Ma...
"Daniel-San, lie become truth only if person wanna believe it." - Mr. Miyagi
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Dan - Owner
http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/japan-false-alarm-mis...
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"Sure, we will give you an automatic alarm message., Then, we cannot give you any more information"
Typical pluggin' bureaucrat with a tens of millions budget. And no brain.
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Muffley:
But, how is it possible for this thing to be triggered automatically, and at the same time impossible to untrigger?
Strangelove:
Mr. President, it is not only possible, it is essential. That is the whole idea of this machine, you know.
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"Schiefgehen wird, was schiefgehen kann" - das Murphygesetz
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So I called the city, they didn't know anything about any sirens going off or what they meant, they did know they weren't city sirens.
I think I finally contacted the county, and learned those were generic "emergency" sirens, used for tornadoes, terrorists, attacking Godzillas or whatever the emergency of the moment was. And that was their periodic test.
I thought it was funny to have an emergency warning system when nobody had the slightest clue what to do when they heard it.
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The Help for this program was created in Windows Help format, which depends on a feature that isn't included in this version of Windows.
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Good point. Usually these tests are scheduled, for example "The sirens are tested at 10:00 a.m. on the first Tuesday of each month from March to October."
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But there is also the current state of the world political affairs that contributed to how this alert was perceived and received by the public. The "nuclear d**k swinging contest" approach of a certain leader to mitigating this threat definitely factored into the response to the incident. Two years ago this would have been met more with skepticism and questions than it would have been with people popping manhole covers and going into the sewer to try to survive.
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https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Bu...
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/30/hawaii-worker...
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B.E.
You are judged not by what you know, but by what you can do.
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Dan - Owner
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I have to ask, if he heard the phrase 'this is not a drill', isn't he SUPPOSED to push the button?
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https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01/31/hawaii-fals...
Okay, “fired” probably isn’t the technical term for it. The worker in question actually submitted his resignation. But do we really think this was a decision he arrived at on his own? Unlikely at best. But the Washington Post reports that the letter of resignation was accepted by the boss and he’s no longer working there. (I’ll repeat the fact that we don’t actually know the worker’s gender, but I’m going with “he” by default. My apologies if this turns out to be a woman.)
But there’s another, somewhat more disturbing angle to this story, which started out as terrifying but has grown more and more bizarre since the original incident. This wasn’t the first time that this particular worker had been in trouble for “confusing” drills with real-world threats. And he’s been a “source of concern” to HEMA management for a decade. (Washington Examiner)
Hawaii Gov. David Ige, a Democrat, apologized for the incident and said it was a “terrifying day when our worst nightmares appeared to become a reality.”
The report from Hawaii officials found that the employee who sent out the false alert earlier this month “has been a source of concern” to other workers “for over 10 years,” according to the Washington Post.
The worker also mixed up real-world scenarios and drills “on at least two separate occasions.”
Allahpundit already looked at the alarming claim that the worker allegedly believed there was a missile heading their way when he “pushed the wrong button.” That’s disturbing enough. But to find out that he confused the real world with some dystopian hellscape fantasy twice before and was still the person responsible for operating that warning system means the fault for this debacle shifts to his superiors.
From the beginning, there were some other, more benign possibilities under discussion. Maybe he was new on the job and wasn’t used to the routine. Perhaps the computer system is poorly designed with a confusing interface making it easy to screw up like that. But now we know that he had been there for at least ten years and had made this sort of error before. Presumably, it never got all the way to the stage of sending out the alert or we’d have known about it, but it was obviously close enough for them to record the incidents.
Knowing all that, how is it that he was still allowed to run that alert software? Surely the complete freakout which followed the false alarm can’t have taken them by surprise. They had to know what a complete disaster that would lead to, right? Couldn’t the worker have been given some other duty in the chain of command which didn’t leave him at the keyboard when the final Go/No Go decision was made?
The worker’s careeer there may be over but the investigation clearly isn’t. If his is the only head to roll I’ll be surprised. Somebody was in charge of this operation and knew there were problems at that work station. And they’re probably going to have to be held accountable.
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When the drill was started a notice would appear only visible to operators ( button pushers.), stating that a drill was imminent and to ignore the phrase " This is not a drill.". Apparently on at least two occasions the operator in question had missed the preamble to the drill.
B.E.
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TTFN (ta ta for now)
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Just wondering. How many people man this systems at once? It doesn't sound like you need more than a person on duty to click an option on a computer terminal. BUT, it sounds like something that should require 2 people to confirm the action. Otherwise, what stops someone who's sick of their job or having a bad day or has decided they're going to quit from clicking the wrong button just for fun to see what happens.
The reports and explanations sound like typical cover my ass BS. I agree with the other comments. If you're told "this is not a drill, press the warning button" then you should be pressing the warning button.
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Are you kidding me?
An on screen button, not even a real button
That's just crazy
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"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
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Of course, now they're going to set it up where they have to have a committee meeting and vote on it before doing anything, so if there IS an incoming ICBM, no warning will go out.
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I.e. if it is a drill, don't say it isn't!
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For more comments, none of them excusing the incident that paniced hundreds of thousands - and would have cost trillions of dollars if done during a stock trading day - see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3628737/p...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weathe...
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John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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