## Concrete Beam Capacity at 50% of yield stress?

## Concrete Beam Capacity at 50% of yield stress?

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I want to make sure I am accurately calculating the moment capacity of a concrete bridge beam when the beam's tension reinforcement steel is assigned to be at a lower than yield stress level.

Specifically, I have 40ksi steel in a beam, and I want to calculate the capacity if the steel stress is limited to 50% of fy, or 20ksi.

Can I continue to use the Whitney stress block, where strain in concrete is assumed to be .003 and the resulting compression force is .85fc'ab. Or, do I need to switch over to a different model.

I believe I can just replace my 40ksi yield stress with 20ksi? Assuming the beam is already cracked, then the neutral axis will just shift upwards from the 40ksi level and I'll get a new lower capacity. The beam was tension controlled at 40ksi, so if I keep the concrete strain at .003, then it's definitely tension controlled at 20ksi.

Or.......do I need to assume a lower concrete strain, and then do an iterative analysis?

I think I have overthought this problem, but I would rather look silly here than to my bosses :)

Specifically, I have 40ksi steel in a beam, and I want to calculate the capacity if the steel stress is limited to 50% of fy, or 20ksi.

Can I continue to use the Whitney stress block, where strain in concrete is assumed to be .003 and the resulting compression force is .85fc'ab. Or, do I need to switch over to a different model.

I believe I can just replace my 40ksi yield stress with 20ksi? Assuming the beam is already cracked, then the neutral axis will just shift upwards from the 40ksi level and I'll get a new lower capacity. The beam was tension controlled at 40ksi, so if I keep the concrete strain at .003, then it's definitely tension controlled at 20ksi.

Or.......do I need to assume a lower concrete strain, and then do an iterative analysis?

I think I have overthought this problem, but I would rather look silly here than to my bosses :)

## RE: Concrete Beam Capacity at 50% of yield stress?

That's essentially it.....while being sure you have minimum flexural/temperature steel in the section.

Of course, this presupposes you want it not to exceed 20 ksi at the ultimate level (i.e. not working/ASD stress). If this is a crack control issue.....you'll need the stress without the load factors. (And that is relatively simple to do.)

## RE: Concrete Beam Capacity at 50% of yield stress?

You might be better off assuming the concrete stress is proportional to strain (triangular stress distribution) and adopting a compression strain less than 0.003, rather than the rectangular stress block which is really for ultimate strength calculations with yielded steel. This calculation can be done without iteration if you only have one layer of tension steel and ignore any compression steel (but it's easier to do it by iterating in a spreadsheet).

## RE: Concrete Beam Capacity at 50% of yield stress?

If it is 40ksi steel and you want to check the member strength at 20ksi, then you would have to look at the actual concrete stress/strain profile and the steel stress/strain profile. The steel will only be at 50% of yield strain in the elastic range. Even at normal service stress levels, the steel strain will normally be at about 60% of yield.

If you want to check it assuming the steel yields at 20ksi, then do as you suggested.

## RE: Concrete Beam Capacity at 50% of yield stress?

As stated by others, with a steel stress of 50% fy the maximum concrete strain will still be in the elastic range (unless heavily over-reinforced), and a triangular concrete stress distribution would be more appropriate. With zero axial load and a rectangular section, the depth of the neutral axis is given by a simple quadratic equation:

For tension steel only:

W*x^2/2 + ast*m*x -ast*m*Dt = 0

x = depth of NA

W = concrete width

ast = area tension steel

m = modular ration (E steel/E concrete)

Dt = depth of tension steel from compression face

For steel in the compression zone, just add in the compression steel area, factored by the effective modular ratio, m1 = m-1:

W*x^2/2 + (ast*m+asc*m1)*x -ast*m*Dt -asc*m1*Dc = 0

Dc = depth of compression steel.

For a non-zero axial load it becomes a bit more complex, resulting in a cubic equation, but that can be easily solved without iteration with a spreadsheet (or preferred alternative).

Doug Jenkins

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## RE: Concrete Beam Capacity at 50% of yield stress?

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Doug Jenkins

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