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Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

(OP)
What is "politically" correct: post-pour(ed) or post-installed epoxy anchors?
Thank you,
iv

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

Do you mean - pre-installed epoxy anchors?

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RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

Post-installed anchors sounds like you want them installed after they were installed. I think more explanation is needed.

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

(OP)
Sorry for the confusion. I am referring to anchor bolts (anchors) installed after concrete is poured and set. I use term "post-installed epoxy anchor" but today while reviewing some drawings I noticed new term "post-pour epoxy anchor" so I am just wondering what is "politically" correct term: post-pour(post-poured) epoxy anchor or post-installed epoxy anchor?

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

Terminology can vary by region. "Post-installed anchors" and "adhesive anchors" are defined in ACI 318. While everyone knows what you mean when you say epoxy anchors, technically not all of the adhesives used are epoxies. It is redundant to say post-installed and adhesive since all adhesive anchors are post-installed. I use "adhesive anchors."

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors


Exact description should depend on the purpose of the drawing. If this is a critical point for a critical installation a more exact description or a full description should be used.

You might avoid the problems by describing 'boring (in concrete) for anchor bolts epoxy sexured' or (if allowed) 'anchor bolts type (fabrication name) or equal' with additional text 'refer to dimensional table'.


RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

"Post-installed" is common lingo for both adhesive and expansion anchors. Never heard of "post-poured".

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

I agree with hokie - I routinely refer to them, and hear them referred to, as "Post-installed" anchors.

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

One other thought. Structural concrete is placed, it is not poured. While "pouring concrete" is commonly used phrase, some people may give you funny looks. I have never heard "post-pour" anchors.

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

wannabeSE,
I agree with you about pour/place, but the language is evolving. We can't stop it, but just try to hold back the tide. When a concreter says he has a pour on tomorrow, I let it go. But if he tells me that he is going to pour a 'cement' slab, he has to be corrected.

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

"Post installed" without context makes me think of something installed on a wooden post.

Hokie66 - what about a "cement pond"?

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RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

dgallup,
The "post installed" thing is obviously industry specific, and for us structurals, it means drilled and anchored into hardened concrete.

No, "cement pond" is not appropriate usage. Cement is powder. Concrete is made from cement, aggregate, and water.

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

Agree with wannabeSE and hokie66 on placed/poured issue. Ranks right up there with "footer" on my long list of pet peeves.

Actually, the only way an expansion or adhesive anchor can be installed is post-placement, so the terminology is redundant; however, post-installed is the common usage.....with the "post" refering to the concrete placement.

RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

https://youtu.be/Z85dJajIExg?t=33

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RE: Post-pour(ed) vs post-installed epoxy anchors

dgallup,
Sorry, I missed your reference the first time. But that makes it clear.

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