Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
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RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
Just imagine what manufacturers would do if left to their own "self-regulation."
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RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
And there are some, who if they have their way, "self-regulation" will be the law-of-the-land.
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RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
Scary.
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The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
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i've rejected several valves, etc. for the materials did not comply with astm standards.
i've also seen mtr's that are suspicious, not legible, etc.
i recall several years ago hearing about a plant mgr that falsified mtr's, got caught, then committed suicide. i think the country was japan. the plant mgr was under tremendous stress to deliver, but couldn't for one reason or another.
RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
There was a day when primes did audits of their suppliers, down a few tiers in the supply chain. Now they require everyone to spend ten's or hundred's of thousands of dollars on quality system certifications (cost shifting) and think that that will achieve the same end. Guess what, it doesn't. There is nothing like a fresh set of eyes to see issues.
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RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
Yet the EPA is like most regulatory bodies in that they do exactly that, they trust the manufacturers to self-regulate their own certification testing.
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Of course, even in China, air polluters haven't yet gotten the memo...
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RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
But if you think government agencies are your salvation, you might be disappointed.
Just this week, I was pulled into a tank project that was designed by gov't employees and inspected by gov't inspectors. The concrete design and construction were a bit of a train wreck, and the tax payers are on the hook for a substandard outcome. Seems like even gov't agencies like self regulation, to the detriment of their own agency.
It may be better to think of quality control and assurance in terms of transparency and incentives, in addition to regulation (and not simply more complex regulation).
In this case, Kobe Steel will be civilly (and hopefully criminally) liable for fraud, and rightly be shamed - bad for American companies and particularly bad for Japanese companies. And other companies have been put on notice. Maybe a better outcome than an army of warm-body inspectors swarming private companies and writing reports.
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RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
So you're saying that it wasn't actually 'regulations' that was the problem, but rather simply incompetent engineers/designers, eh? I don't think anyone has ever suggested that incompetency was limited to the private sector
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RE: Kobe Steel - falsified material certifications
They're not, but government agencies are the outcome of specific laws, which entails criminal and monetary penalties that can be applied to the scofflaw as needed. Otherwise, your only recourse is to depend on corporate guilt, or to sue for damages, neither of which is any more reliable than the government. Government agencies serve the purpose of enforcing law, just like police do. It makes no sense to argue that corporations don't require policing while people do.
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In addition a reputable supplier should welcome this oversight. While it does add more work for us it's much better that we have purchasers who are keeping the suppliers honest. It does us no favors if we're building a precast product to ASTM standards while our competitor is not.
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