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Waterhammer

(OP)
We live in a 2 storey home with washrooms upstairs and downstairs. In the last week, we have a waterhammer noise that continues until a tap in the washroom to allow water to run.

Can anyone suggest the cause of the waterhammer 'buzz' and a means of stopping it, or even where to try? It is just recent event, but, is annoying.

Dik

RE: Waterhammer

If you have an expansion tank on your water heater, I'd start there. Make sure it is functional.

RE: Waterhammer

(OP)
I don't think I do, but, I'll check.

Thanks, Dik

RE: Waterhammer

"In the last week, we have a waterhammer noise that continues until a tap in the washroom to allow water to run."

"Waterhammer" is not a continuous thing, and in a typical house, it's more of an echo of the valve being closed, given the speed of sound in water.

What's initiating the noise? Have you tried changing the speed of closure of the valve?

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RE: Waterhammer

did it just start recently ?

there are lots of plumbing add-ons for removing water hammer ... google "water hammer prevention"

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RE: Waterhammer

Does your air handler unit drain to the same location as that sink in the washroom?

I ask because in my current house, my AHU drain to the master bath drain line. About two years ago I noticed noises and it would stop when I turned on that sink (the water muffled the sounds coming from the open AHU drain). I installed a vent on the AHU drain line to minimize the pressurization of the line and I cleaned the line. The sounds went away for over a year. When the flex hose section starts to clog (located in the vanity in the master bath) it will start to pop occasionally, so I just pull out the hose and clean it.

RE: Waterhammer

(OP)
IRS:
"What's initiating the noise? Have you tried changing the speed of closure of the valve?"
Is that the valve that 'fills' the toilet tank?

RB1957:
It's just started in the last few days.

DVWE:
I haven't been able to locate an expansion tank.

Thanks... Dik

RE: Waterhammer

(OP)
IRS: It's a distinct 'hum' from waterhammer and if I turn on the downstairs bathroom sink tap, it stops. I will replace the upstairs valve and see if that has any effect... it's time to replace it anyway.

Dik

RE: Waterhammer

if it just started then something's changed with the system recently. maybe a valve is getting old and needs to be replaced (thank goodness we're not valves !) maybe someone knocked the fill valve (outside the tank, near floor level) partially closing (or opening it) and that's created the change in the system ?

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RE: Waterhammer

waterhammer does not create a humming noise. it is more of a knocking or "hammering" noise as indicated by the descriptive name. what you describe sounds more like a valve that is not quite closed such as a fill valve in a toilet. that can create humming, vibrating, whistling and all sorts of noises.

RE: Waterhammer

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cvg: It's sort of a loud vibration sound... and it's tied into the water system... when the upstairs toilet flushes, there is a loud vibration sound and if I turn on the downstairs bathroom sink tap, it stops... maybe not waterhammer, but, something. I thought this was waterhammer.

Dik

RE: Waterhammer

Check your water pressure. For years I had no problems then all of a sudden I had water hammer (which is a bang when you turn a valve off, not a hum). Turned out the water utility had jacked up the pressure in my neighborhood. I had to put in a pressure reducing valve (why don't they call these pressure regulators?).

You toilet valve may be chattering, dropping the pressure by opening the downstairs sink lets it shut fully. The toilet valve may need to be replaced but the root problem may still be excessive water pressure.

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RE: Waterhammer

Waterhammer is a singular event, more like a single "thump" as the momentum of flowing water is absorbed by the plumbing upon the closure of a valve. Since the speed of sound in water is something like 3000 ft/s, water hammer lasts probably less than half of a second.

As a point of fact, a toilet flush typically cannot create a water hammer; the shutoff of flow into the tank is gradually reduced by the float valve, depending on type of float valve. The older ones with the floating ball and arm had a slightly quicker shutoff than the column float types.

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RE: Waterhammer

If one of our outside faucets is closed incompletely, or left on, and a hose with a small leak is attached, running one of the interior faucets would make the outside faucet buzz loudly.

RE: Waterhammer

(OP)
Might be that the valve is 'fluttering' giving rise to a loud 'whine'. Might not be waterhammer... it's not like a 'thud' when something is turned off... and it might be that the sound is transmitted through the house.

Dik

RE: Waterhammer

If you have a pressure regulator in your plumbing (normally near the main water inlet) you may have to replace it. After 5 years in my new home, I had to replace mine due to water hammer from the outside sprinkler system.

RE: Waterhammer

First replace the toilet float valve. These valves are very cheap and are not made to last long. The humming sound is one of the failure modes.

RE: Waterhammer

Agree with all here - this is not water hammer, but a filling valve failure or hardening of a valve seat.

Just change the washer or diaphragm seal on the toilet in question and it will go away.

Been there, done that. It works.

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RE: Waterhammer

(OP)
Thanks LI... I was going to replace the valve on the weekend to see if that changes things...

Dik

RE: Waterhammer

It's amazing what changing a single washer can do, even if it still seals, they just get hard after time and are more sensitive to some small vibration which then just feeds on itself.

If you watch the level in the tank, sometimes you can see it setting up a wave in the tank, sometimes it just makes a strange noise as it gets close to closing.

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