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Hydraulic Radius and Area of Multiple Box Culverts.(Chezy Mannings)

Hydraulic Radius and Area of Multiple Box Culverts.(Chezy Mannings)

(OP)
For a preliminary sizing I have looked at using the Chezy Manning's Equation for box culverts.
1. can you use Chezy Manning's on CBC that are multiple barrels? If yes do you sum up all the areas of each individual box culvert? Do you sum up the hydraulic radius of each individual barrel for the total hydraulic radius?
Q=(1.49/n)(A)(R)^.67(S)^.5

RE: Hydraulic Radius and Area of Multiple Box Culverts.(Chezy Mannings)

Since your equation is a linear function on area, you can use the combined area, but the hydraulic radius should be for a single barrel. If in doubt, evaluate a singe barrel and multiply by the number of barrels.

Peter Smart
HydroCAD Software
www.hydrocad.net

RE: Hydraulic Radius and Area of Multiple Box Culverts.(Chezy Mannings)

Unless the barrel inverts are at different elevations, or the barrels are non uniform in shape/size, the hydraulic radius should remain the same regardless of the number of barrels

A = area of flow in one barrel
P = wetted perimeter in one barrel
n = number of barrels

r = n*A/(n*P) = A/P

RE: Hydraulic Radius and Area of Multiple Box Culverts.(Chezy Mannings)

(OP)
So
for example you have a CBC and assume flowing full
IE 5-8x4 CBC assuming flowing full
A=8*4=32 sf
∑A= 32+32+32+32+32= 160 sf
P = 4+4+8+8=24 feet
r=5*32/5*24=1.33
assuming n=.011, S=.0025
Q = (1.49/.011)(160)(1.33)^.67*(.0025)^.5= 1311.79 cfs

RE: Hydraulic Radius and Area of Multiple Box Culverts.(Chezy Mannings)

(OP)
One other question why wouldn't you use R = 32/5+32/5+32/5+32/5+32/5= 32 hypothetically doesn't each box have a surface? Just curious?

RE: Hydraulic Radius and Area of Multiple Box Culverts.(Chezy Mannings)

slange: As you already stated: r= A/P = 5*32/5*24 which reduces to r=32/24

The hydraulic radius for a single barrel is the same as the hydraulic radius for the entire multi-barrel structure. Check the equation - you cannot add the radius for each barrel.

Again, the easy solution is to evaluate the flow for a single barrel and multiply by the number of barrels. Keep it simple.

Peter Smart
HydroCAD Software
www.hydrocad.net

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