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How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

(OP)
Dear all

I just started my experiment about casting Duplex ss by induction furnace, AOD and VOD don't available for us due to lack of budget and experts. So I need all of your advice to help me.
detail about experiment :
raw material : stainless steel grade 316L (<0.03% C, 16-18.5% Cr, 10-14% Ni, 2-3% Mo, <2% Mn, <1% Si, <0.045% P, <0.03% S)
casting : stainless steel grade 2205 Duplex (UNS S32205)( <0.03% C, 21-23% Cr, 4.5-6.5% Ni, 2.5-3.5% Mo, 0.8-2.0% N, <2% Mn, <1% Si, <0.03% P, <0.02% S )
Equipment : induction furnace (open atmosphere) ( 1 Ton )
Questions
1. Should I choose Purging N-Ar or Adding nitrogen bearing ferrochrome into liquid metal in furnace ?
2.if I purge N into liquid metal, how much Bar I choose apply and how long ?
3.How to measure N in casting ?
4.What is suitable media for quenching (Water or Oil) ?
5.Should I concern anything else ?

Thank you all of you guys !

RE: How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

But 2205 master alloy and melt and cast that.
If you are trying to make it from 316L you have some problems.
1. ultra low C Fe-Cr needed
2. pure Mo (usually Mo oxide)
Yes, you will want to N purge
In the castings you will use a N analyzer, similar to those for C, S, O and so on.

After you clean the casting anneal them and if they are thin you can use fan cooling, otherwise use water quench.

And you have tghe Chemistry wrong.
S32205 is 22.0-23.0 Cr, 3.00-3.50 Mo, 4.50-6.50 Ni, and 0.14-0.20 N
The cast version is J92205
Cr 21.0-23.5, Mo 2.50-3.50, Ni 3.75-4.75, N 0.10-0.30

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P.E. Metallurgy, Plymouth Tube

RE: How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

(OP)
Thank you so much EdStainless
Please allow me to come up with additional question
1.Do you think ? Should I do experiment with other grades of duplex stainless steel
that easier to casting ?
2.can I purge N by using ceramic tube connecting with Nitrogen tank
Or should I use Nitrogen bearing ferrochrome instead?

Thank you !

RE: How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

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The cast version of 2205 is either ASTM A890 Grade 4A CD3MN or ASTM A995 Grade 4A CD3MN. It will have your chemistry requirements and heat treating requirements. Quenching after solution anneal should be done in water.


If you are starting off melting duplex, I would suggest you buy AOD refined ingot. In a 1 ton you should be able to melt and go with little to no alloying additions.

If you need to use 316L, be sure it is all L grade. If you get some 316 in your melt with a .04-.08 carbon, your going to have a hard time. Also you will need to add a bit of Cr. Again, be sure you have good .025 ferrochrome or electrolytic would be better. As long as you have good low carbon 316L, you should be good alloying the Mo up with ferroMo. Your Ni addition should help with the carbon.

I always added Nitrogen with nitorgen bearing chrome. You will need to get the melt up to 2900 to 3000 degrees and have the power on after adding the N-Cr. Also, there will be quite a bit of nasty gummy slag when you add the N-Cr. You will need a nitrogen analyzer to get a good nitrogen content. I have never found the nitrogen from a spectrometer to be reliable. It can be close depending on your sample prep and gas cleanliness but, to be sure of what you have you will need a stand alone combustion analyzer.

If you do not have a nitrogen analyzer, you need to buy certified AOD/VOD ingot. Remelt, deox and pour. You should not lose any nitrogen.

Remember, Nitrogen is an alloying element. You do not want to use any deoxidizers that also tie up nitrogen such as Zr or Ti.

RE: How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

bobjustbob,, great piece of advice given . My one liner to the OP would be" Go get a consultant".

"Even,if you are a minority of one, truth is the truth."

Mahatma Gandhi.

RE: How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

(OP)
Many thanks to bobjustbob
I really appreciate your great advice.

RE: How to produce Duplex ss by induction furnace

When we melted from ingot we used a nitrogen top blanket, not bubbled into the melt, just to help minimize oxidation and N loss.

CD3MN listed as 4A in both A890 and A995 is J92205. This is the chem that you want.
These specs also have guidance on annealing.
Buy the one that you will be working with and read it. You will also need a couple of the specs that it references.
A890 is for general service and A995 is for pressure containing parts.

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P.E. Metallurgy, Plymouth Tube

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