How to study this structure
How to study this structure
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hi.
i would to obtain reaction for this structure:
i wish to obtain reactions also in the upper part joints, how can i do this?
i would to obtain reaction for this structure:

i wish to obtain reactions also in the upper part joints, how can i do this?





RE: How to study this structure
Dik
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vertical element in what way?
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You show both reactions on the bottom as fixed. This makes your structure statically indeterminate. Are your beams connected at the "X"? You need to account for bending of your structure. This is not straight tension and compression.
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JHG
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The structure is, as noted above, indeterminate with the two fixed supports. Two pinned joints are also indeterminate (although this greatly simplifies the structure to a "simple" three force member, but there are still an infinite set of solutions. One pinned and one roller joint is determinate (now simply a beam with an overhang point load).
now, of course, there are simple solutions (ie treat the problem as an overhanging beam) but this doesn't match the problem as shown. In the simple solution, the moment at the joint is reacted as a couple at the two reaction points. Adding reaction moments changes the couple; adding equal and opposite lateral reactions (allowed by the supports as shown) also compounds the solution (or confounds the solver).
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-handleman, CSWP (The new, easy test)
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1 - Is this a scissor lift? You need more definition of joints and loads.
2 - Are we going to do this gentleman's homework for him?
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in the upper part i think this is a better scheme:
There is a ball screw who governs the extension in the lower support at left.
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Every simple joint removes 2 dof (2n-1 where n is the number of beam linked by the joint).
In the bottom parte i have a pin support in the right, removing 2 dof, and a roller in the left side, so another dof is going away. How can i remove the others?
i would to find the force i have to apply in the roller to keep the structure stopped
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The pinned joint on top next to your load, must slide, for a scissor lift to work.
Your frame now is statically determinate, and easily solved. Your three frame pieces are cantilever beams, also, easily solved.
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JHG
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first, there are lots of threads on scissor lifts, try reading them to get ideas.
second, review free body diagrams, then see how to apply them to the problem. some clues ...
1) break the problem into three pieces, the three different members; as well as looking at the structure completely as a free body (ie what ground reactions will react the applied load).
2) consider the top beam. one (the RH one) joint is almost certainly hard located (fixed in position, at the end of the beam) but the LH will slide along the beam. this is not quite as you've shown. this has implications for the reactions on the LH support.
3) the top beam will solve without moments at the supports. It is hard to see how a practical structure would have moments (I'd expect to see pins at these locations).
4) then consider each arm as a free body. Start with the one with the actuator load applied. You have to determine the load at the middle joint, that passes from one inclined member to the other. I think you know the other loads on this member.
third, an important detail ... you mention the actuator, Does it attach to the opposite leg or to the ground ? If the ground, the problem just became indeterminate again (maybe) ! Though you may be able to figure the actuator load from the work done.
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but the result is not consistent. How can i take into account the central pin?
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Why is the solution "no good" ? Does this mean the two members as individuals don't balance ? because you haven't included the load transferred between them at the pivot. and because you don't have the actuator force keeping the inclined members in position.
Your solution assumes that the inclined members pivot about their mid-point, which may be correct but doesn't have to be.
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Otherwise the scissor effect will not work.
Also, "P" will have to have a non-zero value, otherwise no lifting will occur.
Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)
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"P" is the force that statically hold the frame fixed, so it is the actuator. it is the unknown
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https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/civil-and-environmenta...
Solving this problem involves several principles from this course.
-handleman, CSWP (The new, easy test)
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Go back and visualize your structure, then draw a free body diagram. As rb1957 notes, your actuator is part of your structure. Include it in your diagram. If the forces on your two "X" beams are not directly in line with the beams, then you have to analyze for bending. This should not (significantly) affect the forces from your statics analysis.
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JHG
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consider each piece in isolation as a free body (research that if you don't understand).
consider the structure as a whole as a free body.
together you should get close to a solution.
You've got part of the solution already ... the three members are not the complete structure, it needs something linking the two inclined legs (the actuator) to hold the legs in position (which you can see for yourself with a model or a thought exercise).
another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?