Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
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There is no other axial load in the HSS member.
There are two stiffeners that align with the HSS8x4x1/2 walls (4" apart) The welds are vertical between the angle and the HSS8x4x1/2. As such, all of the load should be directly transmitted into the web walls of the HSS, and there will be no chord plastification.
As long as the welds, angle, and stiffeners are adequate, am I wrong in stating that the strength of this connection is the full capacity of the HSS8x4 member (axial-single bending interaction)?
There are two stiffeners that align with the HSS8x4x1/2 walls (4" apart) The welds are vertical between the angle and the HSS8x4x1/2. As such, all of the load should be directly transmitted into the web walls of the HSS, and there will be no chord plastification.
As long as the welds, angle, and stiffeners are adequate, am I wrong in stating that the strength of this connection is the full capacity of the HSS8x4 member (axial-single bending interaction)?






RE: Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
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RE: Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
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Technically, I think that would be an incorrect assumption. You're basically delivering you load straight into the side walls and creating a rather heavily taxed panel zone there. Frankly, other than FEM, I'm not sure that we really have the tools available to fully understand how those localized stresses make their way out into the rest of the cross section. The provisions that JAE mentioned are one option for dealing with some of this. But I'd be surprised if you'd have full plastic bending / axial section capacity available instantly.
All that said, your load delivery path is robust compared to other popular configurations. Short of trying to deliver axial stress to all four faces of the tube simultaneously, that's about as good as it gets. I suspect it's overkill really. You could probably have one or zero stiffeners and design the vertical leg of the angle to distribute the load out to the walls of the HSS.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
I'd be assuming that the only welds doing anything for bending are the vertical welds that go into the HSS walls.
It's probably pretty strong, but not necessarily full strength.
RE: Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
It is not only wrong to state that, it is not relevant. The connection must be capable of supporting a 10.7k load at an eccentricity of 3.5" from the face of the HSS whereas the HSS must be capable of supporting a 10.7k load at a 7.5" eccentricity with unspecified boundary conditions.
BA
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I have checked Chapter K, and the only provisions for applied moments on the face of an HSS assume it's a plate in the middle of the chord, which results in chord classification for a failure mode. This would be overly conservative for my design.
These are the answers I was looking for, thanks. I knew chord plastification failure (Section K) would be over conservative, but didn't feel right in taking the entire section properties knowing that the 8" faces would have a huge shear demand. So would a good estimate for the capacity of this connection be the load required to cause shear stress failure in the wall?
I understand but wouldn't that happen only when the stress in the weld at the top exceeds the strength of the weld? Or is there an earlier failure having to do with the curved corner?
True, and it can. But that is not what my question was. I was wondering what the capacity of the connection is.
RE: Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
For example, say the load applied is "X" kips.
Shear stress is X/2 / (6" * 0.465") = 0.18 X ksi
transverse stress is -(X*3.5" / 2 ) / (0.465" * 6" ^2 / 6 ) = -0.63 X ksi,
Longitudinal stress is the stress in the chords, or X/2 / (6"*0.465") = 0.18 ksi
Using Mohr's Circle I can find the maximum Shear Stress = Sqr Root { [(σ₁-σ₂) / 2 ]² + τ² } = 0.45 X ksi
For Shear Failure,
0.45*X ksi = 0.9 * (0.6 *Fy=46ksi)
X = 55 kips
Compare to X*7.5" = 0.9*(Fy=46 ksi) * (Zx = 17.9 in³) = 99 kips
Compare to X*7.5" = 0.9*(Fy=46 ksi) * (Zx = 23.5 in³) = 130 kips
So determining the strength of the connection based upon first shear yielding, the connection has a capacity 56% of it's elastic capacity, or 42% of it's plastic capacity.
RE: Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
RE: Applied Moment on HSS Face - Strength Check
I would say yes, that only happens if you overstress the weld. Be careful at your weld strength assumptions, though. An unreinforced flare bevel weld wouldn't develop the full HSS wall strength (i.e. it isn't full penetration).