Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
(OP)
Is NCEES model law designation MLE or MLSE worth the time/effort/$$$? Their website claims it helps to expedite comity applications, but I thought that was what the council record was for? Anyone have any advice if it's worth pursuing or perceived/realized benefits? Or is it just a quick way for NCEES to take more money?






RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
When I had it done it was. (I haven't applied to a state since I was approved so I cannot answer the OP's question.) The oddest part of it was: I had to provide them with scores on the exams I have taken. (You would think NCEES would have that internally.)
Given the fact that they don't do annual updates anymore of your record......I'm not sure it makes much of a difference.
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
So might they do this with the Model law designation? Well, they have a history.
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
I'm currently registered in 26 states and have had a NCEES record for over 25 years. I pursued the Model Law SE designation years ago but when they looked at my transcript and the classes I had taken, I was short 1 SE class,though I had worked as a SE for over 20 years by then. (32 years now) As UcfSE said it does expedite a handful of states but I've found the speed of getting another license isn't usually a factor, so not worth it in my opinion.
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
Not exactly. I too did a NCEES record before the "new" system got rolling. I thought I was going to have to start from scratch too but they saw the light and will convert your old records over to the new system. It's a necessity for me because I have several references who are dead (whom I worked with at companies that no longer exist).
The bad news is: if you add a state, it looks like you will have to scramble around a bit and get updated references before you do a transmittal.
Here is the e-mail (from October of last year) where they tell me you can transfer your record over:
I double checked that with one of their people. Since it appears they won't do a transfer until you request a transmittal......I wanted to know: if I don't do one soon.....will that info be lost forever? They said not. But to be on the safe side, I may request a transmittal anyway (over the next year or two) to be sure that stuff is moved over to the "new" system.
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
"NCEES will launch an updated Records Program in June 2016. This new and improved system will no longer require members to renew their Record or pay a renewal fee. Because your Record is scheduled to expire within 90 days of the launch date, you are not required to complete the renewal process and you will no longer receive a renewal card. Your Record will remain active and eligible to transmit through June 1.
On June 1, the current Records Program will no longer be accessible. If you need to transmit your Record before the new system is available on June 20, you must make that request before June 1.
More details about the new and improved Records Program will be available in the coming months."
The next thing I heard (around June 1st) was that the system wouldn't be accessible for two weeks and then.....crickets.
And who's to say they won't "improve" the Model law designation?
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The feedback from NCEES following this was even more ridiculous. They flat out refused to admit there were issues with the new system and turned a deaf ear to any complaints. I see no reason they wouldn't do something similar in the future if it suited them. Imagine if they just eliminate all model law designations and force you to start from scratch?
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
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RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
That's something I've kind of wondered about.....they said the old record will transfer over to the new system.......but I wonder if that includes the MLSE designation? Like Jed alluded to: if they screwed up something that is a fundamental service they offered for decades.....what else is screwed up?
Frankly, as long as the old employment references & test scores make it......I'm happy. I don't care if I'm designated Grand Poobah of Leopard Lodge just as long as that info is available. (Since I now work for myself.)
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
Old references did not make it. However I only heard one person that said their test scores were lost.
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
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Wow. Not good news.
That isn't what they told me. I asked them (point-blank; after a long song and dance from them): "is there any doubt the old employment reference material will convert over to the "new" system?"
Their reply: "Anything up until the date you applied would be brought over from the old system to the new."
I guess that isn't true. I probably need to go ahead and get this process started at some point in the near future.
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
https://www.facebook.com/AmericanConcrete/
RE: Necessity of NCEES Model Law Designation