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Rogue One Engineering Ethics

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

The Dilbert comment summed it up for me.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Is this a spoiler free link or do I have to wait until I finally get out to see it?

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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Dammit. Sounds like they just ripped off the plot to the Force Awakens then...

Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Oh, I know. I was being sarcastic as well. tiefighter

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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

A related question is, what's up with all the recliner theaters? When did that become a thing? I get the vibe that it's supposedly to make you feel like you're sitting in your living room, but is the business model really there? A theater that could have seated 200 people now only seats about 100, and takes longer to prep between shows. The dine-in theaters chew up even more real estate and add a whole bunch of workers that didn't even exist before. The food's tolerable, but it's not a desired end-point.

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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

IRStuff, if the shitty chairs sell 75 tickets, but having good chairs sells 100 tickets, the math is there.

I don't go to theaters with shitty chairs.

One of the theaters I like to go to has big cushy recliners, are set up in pairs with a small table between them, and there's bar service. THAT'S how you watch a movie on the big screen. They probably have seating for 100. I think it's 8 people per row, and 12-14 rows seems about right. Minus some seats here and there for obstacles.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

IRStuff,
I have a project on my desk right now where we are adding a bar inside a theater. Now we're talking!

I would speculate that since most theaters have at least 10 screens, and show some movies non-stop, they are not worried about the extra seats. They just want that competitive edge to get people into theirs instead of the one down the block.

Another technological change in theaters- they are all digital now. No reels- just a simple projector, controlled remotely by an operator who may or may not even be in the building. It's amazing how empty projection rooms are now.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Actually, the AMC in Fullerton comes with a bar...
Projection rooms may be empty, and ushers a thing of the past, but the dine-in theater had 3 wait staff, X in the kitchen, and Y tending the bar. Presumably, they multiplex between different rooms, but still, they're not the cleaning staff, which has to be there.

The dine-in was NOT full, and the seats weren't fully reclinable, only partly.

They need to have more than 2x attendance to break even on the sunk cost and the maintenance; motorized recliners aren't exactly maintenance free.

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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Well, if we make everyone stand, we could probably get 200+ people in that theater... subsidiary of RyanAir.

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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

We go to the movies about 4-6 times a year.
We always pick the theater with recliners and reserved seats.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Theatres have to deliver an experience worth the cost of admission - even if the cost of admission has to rise. The dingy theatre with terrible seats competes with the pirate bay and a living room, at a cost of 0.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Thanks for sharing the bit about these lounge-style theaters, I'm going to have to locate one nearby. My wife and I havent gone to the movies much in recent years, unless we catch a lesser movie out in the sticks its seemed that cost vs experience simply hasnt been there in traditional theaters lately. OTOH, if I can spend a bit more for a comfortable seat and drink that's a game-changer.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

I appreciated the points in the article that drew distinctions between engineers and scientists, particularly the observation that the character was called a scientist to assign prestige despite his role as an engineer; and those called engineers were considered disposable old white guy.

I'm looking forward to seeing the movie.

I used to count sand. Now I don't count at all.

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I agree with SandCounter. It's kind of like the difference between "engineer" and "engineering technician"- it's like they try to infer that scientists are superior to engineers, or that it's a step higher on some totem pole. That's definitely the message I got.

I don't really care - that's prevalent among many trades, disciplines, and occupations when "simplified" for public consumption.

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I don't care a lick about the seating in a theater. I am 100% there for the video and audio performance that can only be achieved with tens of thousands of dollars (or more). Consequently, I only go to movies meant to use those capabilities (like Star Wars). Comedies and dramas are a waste of time at the theater in my book. I'll watch those at home.

The last place I lived had a truly world class IMAX theater, and I gladly payed $16 to see movies in there once or twice a month. Where I live now, the theater is trash by comparison. It's only $4 for a show, but I never go. My home theater is as good. Obviously not as big, but better sound and picture. That IMAX is one of the main things I miss about the big city, but I'd still never go back. Traffic jams and shootings in the news aren't my cup of tea.

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KENAT - interesting analogy. I'm not sure I know your meaning. Is it because we are viewed as:

A.) silly, mindless robots with below average singing capabilities?

or

B.) the ones behind the scenes who make everything work?

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Wait, oompa loompas were robots?

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

Apologies if I unwittingly included a spoiler. I thought everyone had by now watched until the end of the credits and seen the oompa loompa manufacturing plant scene.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

truckandbus,

The problem with using Star Wars as an analog of real world engineering, is that all the movies in the series I have seen are pure melodrama. The good guys are pure goodness, and the bad guys are pure evil. If Darth Vader and the Emperor approach you to build something, you know it is intended for something nasty. As an engineer, your job will be to implement someone's evil plans. You would be better off becoming a bandit or smuggler. Maybe you will score a hot princess!

In the real world, you feel some sort of patriotism and trust in your leaders. Any sabotage you do will hurt the people on your side. Government reveal military secrets on a need to know basis. You won't be told the final evil purpose.

Let's take the closest historical case of pure evil. You are in Germany in 1944. Your cities are getting the crap bombed out of them. You are asked to design a super-duper new fighter interceptor. Do you sit down with your family and point out that we all deserve to have the crap bombed out of us? Do you even know you deserve to have the crap bombed out of you? If you build a weapon that shoots down the attacking bombers, can you make it so that babies and cute puppies are safe from it?

--
JHG

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"The good guys are pure goodness"

We're talking Rogue One, so Finn is someone who switched sides, and can't be considered pure anything. Han Solo murdered someone in cold blood in episode 4 and was well on the way to following his own path of roguedom until he returned to bail out Luke at the end. But, while this is fiction, it's also a series of snippets, and were we able to observe any of ourselves under similar circumstances, I doubt we'd see that much difference.

Would we sacrifice ourselves to save others? Possibly. There are certainly examples even just in the news in the last week where 2 people were brutally murdered while protecting a woman from a possibly "pure evil" person. I don't know that the two people who died were "pure good" over their entire lives, but for a couple of minutes, they were, and that is in this real life snippet.

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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

IRstuff,
Thanks for the "I'm an expert!" link, saw it before and needed it today.

RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

I feel bad for all the carpenters, electricians, and plumbers. All of them happy they got a government gravy train project that just keeps going on and on on this thing called a "death star". You would think after the first few times it got blowed up, the empire would have a hard time finding contractors.

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Seems to me that would depend on how tightly they are able to control the news. For that matter, it's unclear whether any of the interior tradespeople would even know what they're working on. You sit on a shuttle with no windows for a 12-hr trip, land in an enclosed shuttle bay, report to deck 5A Aft, and start to work. You could be on anything or anywhere. The guys in white probably won't tell you anything.

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RE: Rogue One Engineering Ethics

HamburgerHelper,

There were tradesmen on the HMS Prince of Wales when she engaged Bismark in the Denmark Straight. Fortunately for the tradesmen, the HMS Hood was the ship to not be on.

The battleship Musashi was built in Nagasaki across the bay from all sorts of foreign embassies. They did everything possible to conceal it from the foreigners. This included executing any tradesmen who revealed classified information. I would guess that Darth Vader and the Emperor did not encourage a free press.

Hopefully, Death Start was complete at the point anything bad happened to it. Far be it from me to spoil and ending.smile

--
JHG

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