Words are very interesting.
Words are very interesting.
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pennpiper (Mechanical)
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7 Nov 16 17:57
Throughout my career I have seen a few words (listed below) used to identify a person in the very early years of their career. These words are very different (spelling & pronunciation) but actually mean the much the same thing. They seem to be just minor cultural differences due to language-to-language translations.
In the early years of my career, I used some of these words (Beginner, Novice & Trainee) but others are relatively new to me.
I'm sure there are other examples of this in the engineering fields.
Word Examples:
Apprentice – noun
1. A person who works for another in order to learn a trade: an apprentice to a plumber.
2. A learner; novice; tyro.
Beginner - noun
1. A person or thing that begins.
2. A person who has begun a course of instruction or is learning the fundamentals
3. A person who is inexperienced; novice.
Dither - noun (By JAE)
1. "Deer In The Headlights Expressive Reaction"
2. A trembling; vibration.
2. A state of flustered excitement or fear.
Entry-Level – adjective
1. Of or relating to, or filling a low-level job in which an employee may gain experience or skills:
Fresher – noun, British Slang.
1. A Freshman.
Grunt - Slang (BigInch)
1. A common or unskilled worker; laborer.
Intern - noun (JAE)
1. A person who works as an apprentice or trainee in an occupation or profession to gain practical experience
Newbie (Noobs) – noun
1. A newcomer or novice, especially an inexperienced user of the Internet or of computers in general.
Novice – noun
1. A person who is new to the circumstances, work, etc., in which he or she is placed; beginner.
Rookie - noun (JAE)
1. A raw recruit, a novice; tyro.
Trainee – noun
1. A person being trained, especially in a vocation; apprentice.
Tyro - noun, (plural tyros)
1. A beginner in learning anything; novice, example, a novice in politics.
Anyone out there have any suggestions to add to this word category or have other category examples offer?
Sometimes its possible to do all the right things and still get bad results
Sometimes its possible to do all the right things and still get bad results





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1) someone who doesn't know their limitations
2) someone who, despite indications to the contrary, believes they're right
3) a derogatory appellation directed by engineers to supervising non-engineers (who usually fit either, or both, of the previous meanings).
another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?
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Anyway, to the point, after reading the article below I can see what he means about there being a generational difference in our vocabularies and while our granddaughter is very well spoken and articulate, which was critical with respect to the job that she got, and she's very well read and continues to read a lot, her everyday working vocabulary is very different than ours. Now it could partially be geographical as my wife and I were born and raised in Northern Michigan and lived there until we 'immigrated' to SoCal in 1980 while Tyler, our granddaughter, has lived in Texas since she was a just over a year old. But as the article points out, there have been shifts in how our generation (schooled in the 50's and 60's) use their vocabulary verse today's school age kids.
How Our Vocabulary Gives Away Our Age
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/delfan-carbonell/voc...
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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Interesting article - I know recently we had a conference room full of young engineers stare at us blankly when a senior engineer referenced the recurring meeting as 'same Bat-time, same Bat-channel'
Catch phrases like "where's the beef?", "well excuuuuuuuse me"? Forget about it.
I imagine it is even more confusing when you introduce in people from other cultures
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It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
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As for the Aussie comment, I never really had that much of a problem when visiting OZ, and I've made the trip at least 17 or 18 times over the course of 25 years, no it was the UK where I had the most problems with the local vocabulary and idioms. Back in the late-80's we acquired a British company located in Cambridge and I ended-up making several trips there over the next few years. It wasn't so much that the Brits used words unfamiliar with us colonists, just that they used words that had totally different meanings than how we used them, and at times, the confusion could be very embarrassing, such as the misunderstood meaning of words like 'fanny', 'napkin' and 'homely'. And it went both ways. I can recall the laugh that one of our new English co-workers got when he saw a building with a 'Drug Store' sign on it. Apparently the word 'drug' has only one meaning in the UK and it's not a good one.
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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JHG
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It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
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My brother was okay - hands and chest scarred up but his face was okay as he was turning to talk to the guy that almost killed him
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I agree with Artisi that the Aussie's were being kind to JohnRBaker, I have heard some of them utter the most incomprehensible slang for someone supposedly speaking English.
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You are judged not by what you know, but by what you can do.
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Fledgling
Greenhorn
All of which I fear also pertain to John's article premise...
My 91 year old Italian mother used to use "abecedarian" on us when we entered Kindergarten (I don't remember it for me, but I witnessed it for my little sister), meaning someone just learning their letters. "Oh this is my daughter Julie, she is our little abecedarian." Mom grew up in pre-war Italy where she was taught Latin in school, and when you first started, you were considered "in abecedarius", meaning learning the first letters of the alphabet; a, be, ce, de. I remember hearing it and just kind of accepted it as another of those $10 words that parents used. It wasn't until I was in college that I discovered nobody else had EVER heard it.
In the 50s and 60s when this took place, she was looked down upon by the anglo neighbors for being an "olive skinned foreigner" (see, things are not really so different as we think they are.) So having been a philosophy student prior to and during (as much as possible) the war before coming here with my American soldier father, she liked to rub her intellect in their faces whenever she felt marginalized by them. Almost all of her friends for most of her life ended up being other "war brides" whom she met in her citizenship classes, from places all over the world; Poland, Spain, the Philippines, Venezuela, Japan, Hawaii, all of them treated poorly by the home girls when they got here.
"You measure the size of the accomplishment by the obstacles you had to overcome to reach your goals" -- Booker T. Washington